Seasoned Advice Asked on July 7, 2021
I’ll typically bring hot water from the tap to the boil instead of waiting longer for cold water. This hot water comes from water heater with a large storage tank. Is this considered safe?
For example, are heater storage tanks known for festering nasties not killed by boiling? Is different piping used for hot water or different soldering on pipe fittings? Do hot pipes cooling down go through a temperature more conducive to bacteria growth?
Unless your hot water tank is very close to your hot water tap, this is a very energy inefficient. As Cascabel notes it would be faster to boil water in a electric kettle first, and then pour it into the pan. Put the pan on the heat at the same time if you are really in a hurry
Hot water systems are normally hot enough (above 55°C, 130°F) to keep water borne nasties at bay, plus if you are on town supply water it will be chlorinated etc
Normally on the first few meters of hot water pipe are copper, then it switched to normal crimped plastic plumbing. This will vary depending on your local building codes
The rate at which pipes lose their heat would ensure it never sits in the danger area for long, not that I think this is a big issue for clean plain water
In general, modern copper pipes are not soldered, they are crimped using special hand tools
Old or non-renovated houses may still be 100% copper pipes that have been soldered. This poses no extra safety risks with just clean water in the pipes
Correct answer by TFD on July 7, 2021
May not be a direct answer, but too long to be a comment. In short, there is really no need to use hot tap water for cooking.
Unless the temperature of your hot tap water is near boiling point high, it does not necessarily boil significantly faster than room temperature or cold water. I am not saying hot water does not boil faster than cold water, just not to a meaningful extend.
See the following excerpt from Scientific America
"..cold water will be absorbing heat faster while it is still cold; once it gets up to the temperature of hot water, the heating rate slows down and from there it takes just as long to bring it to a boil as the water that was hot to begin with.."
The reverse is even more interesting: hot water may freeze faster than warm water:
..It all depends on how fast the cooling occurs, and it turns out that hot water will not freeze before cold water but will freeze before lukewarm water. Water at 100 degrees C, for example, will freeze before water warmer than 60 degrees C but not before water cooler than 60 degrees C..
In addition to heath and energy/money concern, I do not see any reason to use hot tap water for cooking.
Answered by KMC on July 7, 2021
To answer this question in general, it's important to note that hot tap water systems are not always considered potable in many parts of the world. In some places they don't attain or maintain a high enough temperature, and older systems (even in places like the UK) can occasionally use hot water reservoirs which are more open to contamination than cold water from the tap. So, in general, be sure that your hot tap water is actually intended to be potable and has the necessary safeguards.
TFD's answer discussed one obvious safety concern raised in the question regarding temperature. Given environmental concerns about wasting heat and energy, as well as warnings not to have scalding hot water from taps, many people tend to lower water heater temperatures as low as possible. But it's important to keep temperatures always at least above 120F (50C) to avoid conditions which can allow bad bacteria like Legionella to propagate. (Sam Ley mentioned this in comments, but to be clear -- any temperatures above 120F will cause Legionella to die off, but the question is how much time it will take if you have a contaminated water source: at 125F it could take hours; at 140F it only takes a few seconds.)
However, assuming a well-functioning water heater that is not set to an inappropriate low temperature, the major safety issue with using hot tap water for cooking or drinking is not bacteria, but other dissolved substances. Hot water will absorb any contaminants in pipelines much faster than cold water.
The main concern here is lead. Government agencies are generally in very strong agreement that one should NOT use hot tap water for cooking or drinking for this reason.
The links have more information, but in general be aware that one does NOT need to have an old house with lead pipes for this to be a concern. Soldering in newer pipes can also contain lead which will leach into hot water much faster than cold. I think the CDC and EPA are probably being a little overly cautious here, but unless you've actually tested the water from your faucets for contaminant levels, it may be best to err on the side of caution and let the water run cold first from the tap before getting water for drinking or cooking (particularly when small children or pregnant women are involved).
For myself, I've always followed this practice and was taught it when I was very young. I also remember being told to do this for flavor reasons, which would also be very relevant for drinking and cooking. A few years ago when I had a discussion with a person who had never heard of this practice, I said we should both get glasses of hot water from the tap, allow it to cool, and compare drinking it to water drawn from tap cold. We both agreed that the hot water had more "off" tastes to it when it had cooled.
I can't say that this would be true everywhere. (I've since moved myself, and I haven't tried it again.) But if your hot tap water actually tastes different, it's clear that something is changing in it, which could involve more rapid absorption of some contaminants somewhere in your plumbing. Is this dangerous for most healthy adults? Probably not (unless you still have actual lead pipes), though again you'd need to do actual testing to know. But if my water tastes better from the tap cold, why would I use hot top water for cooking? As others have noted, it's likely not going to save you energy, and in some cases could actually be harmful.
Answered by Athanasius on July 7, 2021
I come from a family of plumbers. When I was very young, my father demonstrated why you should never drink from a tanked hot supply.
He took me up to the tank in the attic & got me to put my hand to the bottom of it. The inch of gritty, oozy mud in the bottom of the tank put me off for life.
You can only drink hot water if it comes directly from the main supply through an instant heat type of system.
Answered by Tetsujin on July 7, 2021
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