Science Fiction & Fantasy Asked by Mixxiphoid on May 15, 2021
In the movie Lord of the Rings: Return of the King we see that the Witch King gets stabbed in the face by Éowyn after she made saslik of his Fellbeast.
Glorfindel said about the Witch King that:
“He will not return to this land. Far off yet is his doom, and not by the hand of a man will he fall.”
—Glorfindel, The Return of the King, Appendix A (iv)
The Witch King knew this because he grabbed Éowyn by the throat and said proudly: “Fool! No man can kill me… Die now!”. Then the guy got stabbed in the back by a hobbit, falls on his knees while releasing his prey and Éowyn fondly replies: “I am no man!” and stabs the dude in his face. Beside the fact he was having a really bad day, the ‘prophecy’ appeared to be true, but failed to mention some help of the little folk.
After seeing Galadriel’s performance against Sauron in the Hobbit trilogy (movies again) I was wondering whether Galadriel would have been able to defeat the Witch King. She is not a man, nor of the race men, so technically she could have stabbed him in the face instead and fulfill the prophecy right?
I did not read the books but I’ve seen the movies and know they are a bit off sometimes (compared to the books). Is there any specific reason (in the movies or in the books) that suggest that Galadriel couldn’t defeat the Witch King?
There's no real way of confirming one way or the other. Whether or not you believe it's possible depends greatly on your interpretation of Glorfindel's prophecy, which is vague at best and never clarified. Having said that, my answer is going to be:
Tolkien says in Letter 210 that the Ringwraiths aren't really physically strong, but rely on fear (emphasis his):
[The Black Riders'] peril is almost entirely due to the unreasoning fear which they inspire (like ghosts). They have no great physical power against the fearless; but what they have, and the fear that they inspire, is enormously increased in darkness.
The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien 210: To Forrest J. Ackerman (Incomplete). June 1958
And Gandalf remarks in Rivendell that they have no great power of fear over the Eldar:
The Elves may fear the Dark Lord, and they may fly before him, but never again will they listen to him or serve him. And here in Rivendell there live still some of his chief foes: the Elven-wise, lords of the Eldar from beyond the furthest seas. They do not fear the Ringwraiths, for those who have dwelt in the Blessed Realm live at once in both worlds, and against both the Seen and the Unseen they have great power.'
Fellowship of the Ring Book II Chapter 1: "Many Meetings"
So Galadriel at least has no debilitating fear holding her back in this hypothetical.
There are also a few reasons to believe that she might not be able to:
Galadriel's power is in wisdom and cunning, not battle. I discuss this briefly in another answer (near the bottom); Galadriel is certainly an impressive figure, but we have no reason to believe that her power is offensive in nature.
The Witch-king is better than the other Wraiths. After the Letter 210 quote I gave above, Tolkien remarks on the exceptional nature of the Witch-king:
The Witch-king, their leader, is more powerful in all ways than the others; but he must not yet be raised to the stature of Vol. III. There, put in command by Sauron, he is given an added demonic force. But even in the Battle of the Pelennor, the darkness had only just broken.
The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien 210: To Forrest J. Ackerman (Incomplete). June 1958
Does that mean he's strong enough to seriously contend with Galadriel? We don't know. Absent a direct confrontation (which never takes place), we can never know.
Correct answer by Jason Baker on May 15, 2021
In a literal sense, you are right, she is neither male nor a Man racially in the LoTR setting. She could have "rules-lawyered" the prophesy of Glorfindel and made a valid attempt/attack upon the Witch King had she so been moved, and had significant power. But she didn't.
On the practical side:
Galadriel's power in the books wasn't quite like the Hollywood action genre that the Peter Jackson tapped into. In the Appendix B to RoTK, we see that Orcish forces attacked Lorien three times (last on March 22, three days before Gollum bit off the ring and fell into the Cracks of Doom), but could not defeat the Power in Lorien. She was a major reason behind that. At the end of the war (after Sauron's fall) Celeborn sallied forth from Lorien, crossing the Anduin on 28 March, and began to destroy Dol Guldur. As written, it appears that Celeborn led the operation and later met with Thranduil on April 6 (the latter arriving from the Northern part of Mirkwood/Greenwood). It is generally agreed that Galadriel was of a higher level of power than Celeborn, due to both her lineage and her Ring, but in the main hers was a different kind of power ... you could call it "A power that preserves." That said, in the Appendix B narrative (versus the time line) Galadriel laid some lumber on Dol Guldur:
“… and when the Shadow passed, Celeborn came forth and led the host of Lórien over Anduin in many boats. They took Dol Guldur, and Galadriel threw down its walls and laid bare its pits, and the forest was cleansed.” (Appendix B, Lord of the Rings).
Tolkien's powerful women tended to wield their power in more subtle ways than a knife in the face. (If you look at the generation that Tolkien was raised in, the female action hero was a very rare trope, and writers tend to write what they know).
Why would Galadriel resort to such crude means (melee, physical confrontation) when such worthy warriors as Glorfindel, the Sons of Elrond, and even her husband Celeborn were of sufficient merit in close combat to take down the Witch King on their own? Elves did not fear the Nazgul the way men did.
They {the elves} do not fear the Ringwraiths, for those who have dwelt in the Blessed Realm live at once in both worlds, and against both the Seen and the Unseen they have great power.' (FoTR, Many Meetings)
Why would the Witch King put himself in a position to be confronted one-on-one with someone as powerful as Galdriel? He ran from Glorfindel at the battle where the prophesy originated. The Witch King worked through proxies and their ability to project fear in most of the narration Tolkien provides on the Wraiths, of whom the Witchking was the most powerful.
All said and done, the hypothetical you set up isn't how Tolkien fit those two characters into his story. There would be no cage match.
Answered by KorvinStarmast on May 15, 2021
It happened, didn't it? In Return of the king, it says that the forces of Mordor tried to attack Lothlorien 3 times, but couldn't because of Galadriel. I don't know who it was exactly, but I think there where 3 Nazgul among them, including either Khamul or the witch king.
Either way, Galadriel is way more powerful and though she never actually fought in the lore (except maybe during the kin slaying), she has been stated to be as athletic as any other Eldar.
Answered by Kunal Roy on May 15, 2021
I doubt the Witch King could bear to approach Galadriel. It would be sort of akin to Dracula approaching a crucifix. Dracula may be physically more powerful than the priest holding up a cross, but he would be unable to resist the effect.
It's a crude analogy but I think the same would hold true for Galadriel. The Witch King might have more physical power (or maybe not, who knows), but he would be unable to stand, or even hold his ground against her regardless, and would flee before her.
It's like a battle of wills, and her will is essentially unbreakable, plus she wears Nenya, sometimes called the ring of adamant. She's not backing down from what is essentially a human ghost.
Answered by Martin Brown on May 15, 2021
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