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Why does commutativity mean that two observables can be measured together?

Physics Asked on January 16, 2021

BACKGROUND

As far as the Heisenberg uncertainty principle is concerned, my understanding of commuting observables $hat{A}$ and $hat{B}$ is that the measurement outcome $a_i$ does not perturb (or correlate with) the measurement outcome $b_j$ because they $a_i$ and $b_j$ arise from projections onto orthogonal eigenvectors of $hat{A}$ and $hat{B}$, respectively.

QUESTION

What I don’t understand is this: What does it actually mean that $hat{A}$ does not influence (i.e., is independent of) $hat{B}$? If I visualize some measured quantum state $mid psirangle = alpha~hat{a}_i + beta~hat{b}_j$ as, say, a vector in a Bloch-sphere, then measuring $hat{A}$ will collapse $mid psirangle$ onto the eigenvector $hat{a}_i$ (with probability $alpha$). However, won’t any subsequent measurement on $hat{B}$ become completely randomized? No information about $beta$ could then possibly be retrieved. I therefore don’t understand how one can say that $hat{A}$ and $hat{B}$ can be measured "simultaneously".

One Answer

If two observables commute, $[hat{A},hat{B}]=0$, then this means that you can always find a common set of eigenstates. In the simplest case of the eigenvalue spectra of $hat{A}$ and $hat{B}$ being non-degenerate, then this implies that the eigenstates ${|u_nrangle}$ are the same for both: $$ hat{A}|u_{n}rangle=a_n|u_{n}rangle, hat{B}|u_{n}rangle=b_n|u_{n}rangle. $$

If you start with your initial state written in the basis of eigenstates of $hat{A}$, $|psirangle=alpha|u_irangle+beta|u_jrangle$, then if measuring $hat{A}$ you get $a_i$, your state immediately after the measurement is $|psi^{prime}rangle=|u_irangle$.

If you then want to measure $hat{B}$, you have to write your new state $|psi^{prime}rangle$ in the basis of eigenstates of $hat{B}$. Crucially, this is $|psi^{prime}rangle=|u_irangle$ because as $hat{A}$ and $hat{B}$ commute so they share the same set of eigenstates. So $|psi^{prime}rangle$ is already in an eigenstate of $hat{B}$, and when you measure $hat{B}$ you will get $b_i$ with probability 1. If you did measure $hat{A}$ again you would get $a_i$ again, and so on.

This discussion becomes more subtle when $hat{A}$ and/or $hat{B}$ have a degenerate eigenvalues spectrum, but I think the above is a good starting point to answer your question.

Answered by ProfM on January 16, 2021

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