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What is the formal definition of a system?

Physics Asked on March 1, 2021

According to quantum mechanics, bosons can occupy the same quantum state in the same system but fermions cannot because the wave function for the interchange of two identical fermions would be asymmetric, according to the Pauli exclusion principle.

I was wondering what is the definition of such a system and its reach, e.g. I can have a free fermion at LHC and another one at LANL and both of them can be at the same state (because there is no quantum entanglement?), but in a neutron star, fermion degeneracy, i.e. that all these neutrons cannot occupy the same state, is what is giving the neutron star its particular characteristics.

So the question is: what is the formal definition of a system? When are these fermions entangled and cannot occupy the same state and when aren’t they?

2 Answers

I will stick with this definition for a physical system:

In physics, a physical system is a portion of the physical universe chosen for analysis. Everything outside the system is known as the environment. The environment is ignored except for its effects on the system.

You ask for many body systems:

So the question is: what is the formal definition of a system? When are these fermions entangled and cannot occupy the same state and when aren't they?

As an experimentalist I have found the density matrix formalism as useful for developing intuition about many particle systems.

If the density matrix of the many body system has non zero off diagonal elements, it means that the particles in the chosen system are represented by one quantum mechanical wavefunction. The off diagonal elements show the degree of "entanglement" for the particular pair of particles.

This question and its answer might interest you for neutron stars.

Answered by anna v on March 1, 2021

Two identical fermions cannot be in the same state, period.

Location is part of the state, so two fermions in different locations are automatically not in the same state. "Gaussian wavepacket at $p$ momentum at the LHC" and "Gaussian wavepacket at $p$ momentum at LANL" are different states.

In principle all identical fermions have an exchange interaction regardless of distance, but in practice it's only significant at short distances.

Answered by Chris on March 1, 2021

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