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Suppose there is a vector $vec v$ which is a function of time, then will $dfrac{d}{dt}|vec v|$ be a vector quantity or a scalar quantity?

Physics Asked by Akshaj Bansal on August 6, 2020

Suppose there is a vector $vec v$ which is a function of time, then will $dfrac{d}{dt}|vec v|$ be a vector quantity or a scalar quantity?

I think it should be scalar because, let’s assume $vec v=2that{i}$.
Then $|vec v|=2t$, and
$dfrac{d}{dt}|vec v| = 2$ which is just a magnitude and has no associated direction.

However, while studying circular motion, I encountered tangential acceleration which is defined as a rate of change of speed. But tangential acceleration has a direction (along the direction of velocity) and thus it is a vector quantity. Thus contradicting what I had said earlier about the derivative of a scalar quantity being a scalar.

I am having trouble figuring out why my reasoning is wrong, please correct me.

3 Answers

$|vec{v}|$ is the norm of the vector $vec{v}$, and is a scalar value. If $vec{v}$ is velocity, $|vec{v}|$ is speed.

$frac{mathrm{d}}{mathrm{d}t}vec{v} = vec{a}$, the acceleration vector.

When we say "tangential acceleration", the direction is "the tangential direction"

$frac{mathrm{d}}{mathrm{d}t} |vec{v}_t| = |vec{a}_t|$ is the magnitude of the tangential acceleration.

Correct answer by Pranav Hosangadi on August 6, 2020

$a_t=d|v_{t}|/dt$

This only gives the magnitude of the tangential acceleration, overall tangential acceleration is a vector quantity.

Answered by Ohw on August 6, 2020

The careful mathematics goes like this:

The rate of change of the speed of the particle is given by $$ frac{dv}{dt} = frac{d}{dt}sqrt{vec{v}cdotvec{v}}. $$ Using the chain and product rules of differentiation, we get $$ frac{dv}{dt} = frac{1}{2sqrt{vec{v}cdotvec{v}}}frac{d}{dt}vec{v}cdotvec{v} = frac{1}{2v}left(frac{dvec{v}}{dt}cdotvec{v}+vec{v}cdotfrac{dvec{v}}{dt}right) = frac{1}{2v}left(vec{a}cdotvec{v}+vec{v}cdotvec{a}right) = frac{vec{a}cdotvec{v}}{v} = vec{a}cdothat{v}, $$ where $hat{v}$ is the unit vector in the direction of $vec{v}$, so $hat{v}$ it is the direction of $vec{v}$. From this, we can see that since we are dotting the acceleration into the velocity, we get the component of $vec{a}$ along $hat{v}$ that leads to changes in speed. This component is what you would call $a_t = vec{a}cdothat{v}$, and because of the dot-product, it is manifestly not a vector quantity.

Next, we look at how the direction of $vec{v}$ is changing. Since the direction of $vec{v}$ is just $hat{v}$, we want to compute the derivative of $hat{v}$: $$ frac{dhat{v}}{dt} = frac{d}{dt}frac{vec{v}}{v} = frac{1}{v}frac{dvec{v}}{dt} - vec{v}frac{1}{v^2}frac{dv}{dt}, $$ where we again used the product rule (first) and then the chain rule. We rearrange this equation carefully and substitute in for $dv/dt$ from our previous calculation, resulting in $$ frac{dhat{v}}{dt} = frac{1}{v}left(vec{a} - (vec{a}cdothat{v})hat{v}right). $$ The quantity in parentheses is exactly the component of $vec{a}$ perpendicular to the velocity. (You can check orthogonality by taking the dot product of this vector with $vec{v}$ and finding that it's zero.) The change in direction $dhat{v}/dt$ therefore depends only on this perpendicular component, which we might call $a_r = vec{a} - (vec{a}cdothat{v})hat{v}$.

Answered by march on August 6, 2020

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