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Net force when deriving relation between torque and angular acceleration

Physics Asked on January 26, 2021

When deriving the equation $tau = Ialpha$, it is assumed that $$F_{tangential}=ma_{tangential}$$$$a_{tangential}=alpha r$$$$tau=rF_{tangential}$$$$tau=mr^2alpha=Ialpha$$

However, doesn’t Newton’s second law describe that $Sigma F=ma$? And isn’t $Sigma F$ in this case equal to $F_{centripetal}+F_{tangential}$? Why don’t you have to take into account of centripetal force?

Or you can just arbitrarily throw around $F=ma$ for any force without minding that it’s not the net force?

3 Answers

You are confusing a 2D problem with a 1D problem. In 2D, force and motion also have direction (other than 1 or -1). The two forces you are trying to sum are orthogonal to each other and should not appear in each other's force equilibrium.

Answered by JJM Driessen on January 26, 2021

To put it in coordinates, let's choose a $(r,theta)$ coordinate system. In that system $$vec{F}=F_rhat{r}+F_{theta}hat{theta}.$$

To calculate the torque about the origin that this force exerts on a particle located at position $vec{r}$ we calculate a cross product $$vec{tau}=vec{r}timesvec{F}.$$

In case you don't know about cross products, one of the results is that any component of $vec{F}$ that is parallel to $vec{r}$ vanishes, and because $vec{r}$ points in the $hat{r}$ direction, the $F_r$ component doesn't contribute to the torque.$$vec{tau}=rF_{theta}hat{k}$$

For a more intuitive idea, consider this. If you have a particle at rest some distance from the origin and you exert a force on it directly toward the origin, there is no angular acceleration around the origin. By definition, angular accelerations must be tied to a torque, and vice versa, so zero angular acceleration implies zero torque. Radial forces don't cause torques about the central point.

Answered by Bill N on January 26, 2021

$1^{st}$ method

The torque is only generated by the perpendicular component of force acting along the radius vector (as can be seen from this formula $ mathbf tau = mathbf r times mathbf F $)


$2^{nd}$ method

You may know that $v neq omega r$ but $mathbf v = mathbf omega times mathbf r $. Therefore $mathbf a = mathbf alpha times mathbf r $. Now you might notice that since the component of $mathbf a$ which is parallel to $ mathbf r$ can never be generated via a cross product therefore the component of acceleration parallel to the radius isn't accounted for.

Answered by user238497 on January 26, 2021

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