Physics Asked by Prithu biswas on January 15, 2021
Lets say I have ice of mass $m_i$ and initial temperature $T_i$ and specific heat $s_i$ . And I have water of mass $m_w$ and initial temperature $T_w$ and specific heat $s_w$ . I have put both this water and ice in a copper container with mass $m_{cu}$ , specific heat $s_{cu}$ and initial temperature $T_w$ . What will be the final temperature $T$ of the system ? ( The Latent heat of freezing of water is $L_f$ )
Here ,
$$Q_1 = m_is_i(T-T_i) + m_iL_f$$
$$Q_2 = m_ws_w(T-T_w) + m_wL_f + m_{cu}s_{cu}(T-T_w)$$
According to Calorimetry ,
$$Q_1 = Q_2$$
$$m_is_i(T-T_i) + m_iL_f = Q_2 = m_ws_w(T-T_w) + m_wL_f + m_{cu}s_{cu}(T-T_w)$$
I can use this equation to calculate $T$ , But then I ran into a problem. In this case , I don’t know which is happening , the freezing of water , or the melting of ice , so i can’t just put both $m_wL_f$ and $m_iL_f$ in the equation and call it done. I might have to remove one of them depending on which thing is not happening (freezing or melting) .To make matters worse , The water or ice may just freeze or melt partially. Is there another equation that can solve for the final temperature while also taking all of this into account?
Assume the end-temperature to be $T$. Your expression for $Q_1$ is then wrong.
The ice will heat from $T_i$ to $0$, then absorb latent heat of melting, then the melted water will heat to $T$, so we have:
$$Q_1=m_1s_i(T_i-0)+m_1L_f+m_ws_w(0-T)$$
Answered by Gert on January 15, 2021
You actually have to consider all 3 cases: all the ice melts, all the water freezes, or you end up with a mixture of ice and water. Also, it is much more convenient to work with the first law of thermodynamics in solving this. Because we are assuming that this system is isolated, it tells us that the change in internal energy of the system is zero.
Let $m_{wi}$ and $m_{ii}$ be the masses of water and ice initially and $m_{wf}$ and $m_{if}$ be the masses of water and ice finally. Also, let the reference state for internal energy be water at 0 C. Then the specific internal energy of the water and ice initially are $$u_{wi}=s_w(T_w-0)$$ $$u_{ii}=-L_f-s_i(0-T_i)$$and the specific internal energy of water and ice finally are $$u_{wf}=s_w(T-0)$$ $$u_{if}=-L_f-s_i(0-T)$$So setting the overall internal energy of the system initially to the overall internal energy of the system finally gives: $$m_{wi}s_wT_{w}+m_{ii}(-L_f+s_iT_i)+m_{cu}s_{cu}T_w=m_{wf}s_wT+m_{if}(-L_f+s_iT)+m_{cu}s_{cu}T$$ This equation is subject to the constraint that the total mass of water and ice is constant:$$m_{wi}+m_{ii}=m_{wf}+m_{if}$$
The three possible cases are then as follows:
Answered by Chet Miller on January 15, 2021
As others have correctly answered, there are a number of different mathematically possible solutions.
This leads to the possibility of trying and discarding a number of solutions before finding the correct one.
A useful technique (I think) for avoiding wasted effort is as follows:
If the energy flow is already zero, then your original guess was actually correct. Job done.
if you have a net energy output, then you need to put back this amount to achieve zero net energy. You did this in an insulated calorimeter, right?
The added energy will warm the original water, the melted ice water and copper from their common guess value to a final state. Unless the system gets heated to above boiling (very hot original copper), you're done.
If Step #$3$ gives you a net energy input, then you need to remove this amount to achieve zero net energy. This removal of heat will freeze a calculated amount of the water. If all the water freezes and you still need to remove heat, then the copper and ice will cool together to some common, sub-zero temperature. Job done
Answered by DJohnM on January 15, 2021
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