Physics Asked on March 7, 2021
Context:
In my textbook it is given: ‘momentum’ short for ‘linear momentum’:
Mass = $m$, momentum is $p=mv$. In time $Delta t$, momentum changes by $Delta p$, the rate of change of momentum is:
$$frac{Delta p}{Delta t} = frac{Delta(mv)}{t} = m frac{Delta v}{Delta t}$$
My Doubts:
My Work:
I have looked at this question – How does $F = frac{ Delta (mv)}{ Delta t}$ equal $( m frac { Delta v}{ Delta t} ) + ( v frac { Delta m}{ Delta t} )$?, but it’s a totally different equation.
My Final Question:
Can someone please clear my doubts about this equation and help me understand how does:
$$frac{Delta(mv)}{t} = m frac{Delta v}{Delta t}$$
Thanks a lot !
1) Yes indeed, the absence of a $Delta$ in the second expression is just a typo.
2) The last expression is derived assuming that mass is a constant. If it helps, just set the mass equal to 4, or something. If we want to know how the quantity $ 4v $ changes, we really only need to know how the quantity $v$ changes. Suppose $v$ changes from $v_1$ to $v_2$. Then
$$ Delta v = v_2 - v_1 ,,$$
and what will $Delta(4v)$ be? Why it will be
$$ Delta(4v) = 4v_2 - 4v_1 = 4(v_2 - v_1) = 4Delta v ,.$$
So the constant comes out the front, because it doesn't change between the start and end points that you're considering. Hence it can be factored out.
3) It's important that I point out that
$$ frac{Delta p}{Delta t} = m frac{Delta v}{Delta t} $$
is not Newton's second law. It's just a relationship between the rate of change of momentum and acceleration, and can be derived straight from the definitions of these things. Newton's second law cannot be derived, and is a statement of real physical content --- hence it is called a law. Newton's law can be written as either
$$ F = m frac{Delta v}{Delta t} ,, $$
or
$$ F = frac{Delta p}{Delta t} ,,$$
whichever you prefer. You can show these two are equivalent using the argument in your textbook (although in fact they're not quite equivalent, as I established above --- the first equation only holds when mass is constant; the second is more general, and more universally true).
The point is that Newton's second law tells us how the acceleration or rate of change of momentum of an object is related to the force acting on it.
Hope this helps!
Correct answer by gj255 on March 7, 2021
Yes. It should be: $$frac{dp}{dt}=frac{d(mv)}{dt}$$ I'm using $d$ instead of $Delta$ because I am thinking about the limit where the changes in $p$ and $t$ are very small. Then these are called infinitessimal changes, and denoted by a $d$.
Usually, when one considers simple problems in Newtonian mechanics, what one does is study a given object with a fixed and constant mass, $m$. This means that $dm=0$ at all times by definition. We have, using the product rule (which only holds for infinitessimal changes): $$frac{d(mv)}{dt}=vfrac{dm}{dt}+mfrac{dv}{dt}$$ Can you guess what happens to the first term on the right hand side of the equal sign?
Answered by Danu on March 7, 2021
You are right, there is a $Delta$ missing in front of the $t$.
$Delta v = v_2 - v_1$. If the mass is not changing, then $Delta (mv) = mv_2 - mv_1 = m(v_2 - v_1) = mDelta v$. Hope that helps.
The equation that includes $frac{Delta m}{Delta t}$ is not Newton's second law. The second law is valid only for systems of constant mass. An equation like that one does appear in the complete analysis of systems of variable mass (like a rocket with its propellent being exhausted from the rear). It is also sometimes called Newton' second law in incorrect analyses of the rocket problem.
Answered by garyp on March 7, 2021
Well that's a result using differentiation and derivation.
Have you studied calculus? If not, there is a simple way to look at it.
$$frac{Delta p}{Delta t} = frac{Delta (mv)}{Delta t}$$ (Yes there should be a $Delta t$ in the denominator, too.)
Now, what does $Delta(mv)$ mean? It represents the change in the quantity $mv$. For current situations, your text book assumes that the mass of the body will be constant with respect to time, so it will not change! Therefore $mv$ is like saying $text{(some constant)}v$. Since this constant won't change with time, we can take it out of the $Delta$ and write $Delta(mv)$ as $mDelta v$.
Answered by mikhailcazi on March 7, 2021
You can't derive Newton's Second law from within Newtonian physics, even its original, general form of F = d(p)/dt. F = m*a is just a special case, not a "derivation". You can derive it from the action principle, but then you would and should ask whether you can derive the action principle. The answer is you can't. From the action principle you can derive the laws of physics (including general relativity, quantum mechanics, classical and quantum field theories ...) at least separately ;-) ), and these laws are found to hold true.
Answered by ClimberT8 on March 7, 2021
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