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Clarification regarding the molecular nature of friction described by Amonton's laws?

Physics Asked on January 18, 2021

By Amonton’s laws, we say that the force of kinetic friction takes the following form:

$$ F= mu W$$

Where $ mu$ is some constant and $ W$ is the amount of weight the body applies perpendicular to the surface which it moves on.

Now, many resources including Feynman’s lectures say the mechanism of friction is related to the molecular vibrations which occur at the surfaces in contact between an object and the surface which it moves on(*). However, I think that this molecular depiction is completely unrelated to the actual physical interpretation of the equation!

For example, consider two blocks: Block-A and Block-B, and both blocks have rough surfaces and Block-B is much larger in dimensions than block-A. If block-A is given some velocity and moves on top of Block-B, then block-A moves on top of Block-B and this causes a friction action-reaction pair to trigger. Block-B moves on a ‘smooth surface’.

Now, the friction retards block-A and accelerates block-B. Sometime after, when block-A has turned to rest relative to Block-B, then Block-B has gained some kinetic energy from block-A and is moving with velocity. However, notice that no energy was lost out of the system/ due to molecular interactions or sound!

So, does this suggest that the popular explanations are given for friction actually have no direct relation with the actual mathematical model we use for friction?

My argument that the model doesn’t account for heating:

It is known that internal forces do no work. In this case, the frictional force does no work because it is internal. Hence, the kinetic energy of the block, in the beginning, must be equal to the final kinetic energy of the combined system, or in other words, no energy lost!


My question is different from this one because here my question is about understanding a certain nuance of the model used to explain friction rather than what the model is in itself.

Reference:

(*): Feynman lecture on physics

2 Answers

It is known that internal forces do no work. In this case, the frictional force does no work because it is internal. Hence, the kinetic energy of the block, in the beginning, must be equal to the final kinetic energy of the combined system, or in other words, no energy lost!

Total energy is (always) conserved, but part of the macroscopic kinetic energy of Block A is transferred to block B and the rest is converted to an increase in the microscopic internal kinetic energy of the two blocks due to internal kinetic friction work.

You didn't say how block A acquired its initial velocity on top of block B initially at rest, but let's just assume it was moving with horizontal velocity $V_1$ relative to the supporting surface when it gently landed on block B so that its initial velocity relative to block B and the supporting surface is $V_1$, and final velocity relative to block B is zero due to the friction force bringing it to a stop. Thereafter, both blocks move together at a final velocity $V_2$ on the supporting surface.

Now, looking at blocks A and B as a system, and considering the supporting surface to be frictionless, then there are no external forces (other than gravity) acting on the block AB system (the kinetic friction forces between the blocks being an internal forces of the system). Given that, the momentum of the system must be conserved.

The initial momentum of the system is that of block A, or $M_{A}V_1$, and the final momentum after block A comes to rest on block B is the momentum of the combined blocks, or $(M_{A}+M_{B})V_{2}$, where $V_1$ is the initial velocity of block A and $V_2$ is the final velocity of the combined blocks. For conservation of momentum we have

$$M_{A}V_{1}=(M_{A}+M_{B})V_2$$

$$V_{2}=frac{M_A}{(M_{A}+M_{B})}V_1$$

The initial kinetic energy of the system is the initial kinetic energy of block A, or

$$KE_{1}=frac{M_{A}V_{1}^2}{2}$$

The final kinetic energy of the system is

$$KE_{2}=frac{(M_{A}+M_{B})V_{2}^2}{2}$$

Substituting the second equation for $V_2$

$$KE_{2}=frac{M_{A}V_{1}^2}{2(1+frac{M_B}{M_A})}$$

We see that $KE_{2}<KE_1$, i.e., the final kinetic energy of the system is less than the initial kinetic energy. The "lost" kinetic energy being due to the internal friction work between the blocks. If the masses of the two blocks are equal, the final kinetic energy is half the initial.

In effect, we have a perfectly inelastic collision between the blocks where momentum is conserved but macroscopic kinetic energy is not. It is partially converted into an increase in the microscopic internal kinetic energy of the blocks (increase in temperature at the interface).

Hope this helps.

Correct answer by Bob D on January 18, 2021

"Block-B has gained some kinetic energy from block-A and is moving with velocity. However, notice that no energy was lost out of the system/ due to molecular interactions or sound!"

Block B hasn't gained as much kinetic energy as block A has lost. The sliding of A over B can be seen as an inelastic collision of long duration.

The blocks warm up slightly. Some energy is transferred from kinetic to internal (random thermal in the blocks).

Answered by Philip Wood on January 18, 2021

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