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Change of coordinates of Lagrangian

Physics Asked by miniplanck on January 7, 2021

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Consider the system above ($m_1$, $m_2$, and $m_3$ are connected by springs of stiffnesses $k_1$ and $k_2$, respectively. Also, $m_1 neq m_2 neq m_3$). The Lagrangian is

$$L(x_{1},x_{2},x_{3},dot x_{1},dot x_{2},dot x_{3},t) = frac{1}{2}m_{1}(dot x_{1})^2+frac{1}{2}m_{2}(dot x_{2})^2+frac{1}{2}m_{3}(dot x_{3})^2 – frac{1}{2}k(x_{2}-x_{1})^2-frac{1}{2}k(x_{3}-x_{2})^2 $$

However, I am required to change variables, in order to avoid crossed terms. I’ve solved the two masses problem previously, having obtained $q_{1}(x_{1},x_{2}) = x_{2}-x_{1}$ and $q_{2}(x_{1},x_{2}) = m_{1}x_{1}+m_{2}x_{2}$, which did the job. Hence, I tried to apply the same logic to this problem ($q_{1}(x_{1},x_{2},x_{3}) = x_{2}-x_{1}$, $q_{2} (x_{1},x_{2},x_{3}) = x_{3}-x_{2}$ and $q_{3}(x_{1},x_{2},x_{3}) = m_{1}x_{1}+m_{2}x_{2}+m_{3}x_{3}$), which did not eliminate the crossed terms completely. My question is, is there any kind of logic/physical meaning to these changes of variables or is this a ‘trial and error’ kind of process?

2 Answers

You should make a change of variables to the center of mass reference frame. The center of mass as you should know has coordinates $$R=frac{m_1r_1+m_2r_2+m_3r_3}{m_1+m_2+m_3} $$. Then you should define a new position for every particle from the center of mass. This way you should get a nice lagrangian with no crossed terms.

Studying a system from the center of mass perspective is useful when dealing with many bodies, it is not an arbitrary choice.

Answered by Ballanzor on January 7, 2021

A general quadratic form in $x_1,ldots,x_n$ can be written as

$$L(x_1,ldots,x_n) = sum_{ile jle n}a_{ij}x_ix_j = sum_{i,j=1}^n A_{ij}x_ix_j$$

where $A_{ij} = A_{ji}$, so that $A_{ij} = a_{ij} / 2$ if $i < j$. Then $A_{ij}$ forms a symmetric matrix, so it can be diagonalized by an orthogonal transformation. This change of basis is a linear change of variables in which cross-terms are eliminated.

In your example the terms involving $dot x_i$ are already free of cross-terms, so we can disregard them. The remaining part, written out, is

$$-frac12kleft(x_1^2 - 2x_1x_2 + 2x_2^2 - 2x_2x_3 + x_3^2right) = -frac12kbegin{pmatrix}x_1 & x_2 & x_3end{pmatrix}Abegin{pmatrix}x_1 x_2 x_3end{pmatrix}$$

where

$$A = begin{pmatrix}phantom{-}1 & -1 & phantom{-}0 -1 & phantom{-}2 & -1 phantom{-}0 & -1 & phantom{-}1end{pmatrix}$$

Normalized orthogonal eigenvectors are

$$frac1{sqrt3}begin{pmatrix}1 1 1end{pmatrix},frac1{sqrt2}begin{pmatrix}1 0 -1end{pmatrix},frac1{sqrt6}begin{pmatrix}1 -2 1end{pmatrix}$$

with eigenvalues $0$, $1$, $3$, so for

$$y_1 = frac{x_1 + x_2 + x_3}{sqrt3}, y_2 = frac{x_1 - x_3}{sqrt2}, y_3 = frac{x_1 - 2x_2 + x_3}{sqrt6},$$

we get

$$x_1^2 - 2x_1x_2 + 2x_2^2 - 2x_2x_3 + x_3^2 = y_2^2 + 3y_3^2 = frac12(x_1 - x_3)^2 + frac12(x_1 - 2x_2 + x_3)^2.$$

Answered by doetoe on January 7, 2021

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