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Why does flash make a brass subject look grey?

Photography Asked on May 9, 2021

I wanted to take a photo of some items I’d turned on a lathe, and lined them up. Photo was taken with an older samsung android phone, so absolutely nothing fancy. There are no filters enabled, the only difference between these two photos is the flash.

Why did the flash make the brass look dead grey, and the other parts have a vaguely rose tint ?
I expected the brass to pop more with added light.

These are two separate photos taken 8 seconds apart. There are some fluorescent tubes in the room, and an LED tool lamp is to the upper right out of shot. The only lighting change was enabling the flash.

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Settings – the flash was the only setting changed between shots.


As requested – exif data:

 Camera-Specific Properties:       
 Equipment Make: samsung                
 Camera Model: SAMSUNG-SM-G870A       
 Camera Software: G870AUCU1BOC5      
 Maximum Lens Aperture: f/2.2   
 Sensing Method: One-Chip Color Area
 Focal Length (35mm Equiv): 31 mm 

Coloured photo—————————-Grey Photo (where different)

 Image Width: 5312   
 Image Height: 2988   
 Image Orientation: Bottom, Right-Hand 
 Horizontal Resolution: 72 dpi    
 Vertical Resolution: 72 dpi    
 Image Created: 2021:01:24 17:00:10       | Image Created: 2021:01:24 17:00:18
 Exposure Time: 1/33 sec                  | Exposure Time: 1/100 sec
 F-Number: f/2.2                          
 Exposure Program: Normal Program       
 ISO Speed Rating: 200                    | ISO Speed Rating: 50
 Lens Aperture: f/2.2                     
 Brightness: 1.5 EV                       | Brightness: 4.9 EV
 Exposure Bias: 0 EV             
 Metering Mode: Center Weighted Average    
 Light Source: Unknown                 
 Flash: No Flash                          | Flash: Flash
 Focal Length: 4.80 mm          
 Color Space Information: sRGB   
 Image Width: 5312             
 Image Height: 2988            
 Exposure Mode: Auto          
 White Balance: Auto           
 Scene Capture Type: Standard   
 Unique Image ID: F16QLHF01GB     

5 Answers

Well, no EXIF data to go by. The second looks like using a "Sepia" color filter. That would be my first guess, particularly given what happens to color in the rest of the image.

A second guess is that brass is actually highly reflective in the UV and near-UV parts of the color spectrum where the human eye is considerably less sensitive than camera sensors. If we are talking about a typical white LED as illumination, it has kind of a hole in the spectrum between the narrow-band blue color of the actual light-emitting semiconductor and the spread fluorescence spectrum making for the red-yellow-green part of the light emittance. That would make it prone to be less than properly yellow in digital camera pictures under LED lighting or UV-leaning lighting like that of the sun or an actual flash tube without UV filter.

Then there is the problem that a whole lot of lighting is not coming from the flash (check out the highlighted reflections on the round parts: only the reflection pointing straight to the photographer is due to the flash). That means that there is significant light input apart from the flash, and if the white balance is set to "the mobile's version of flash" as white balance setting, the external light source may mess it up. And non-photographic "white" LED lights tend to mix a pulsed narrow-band bluish light source with a semi-continuous yellowish fluorescence. Depending on just what phase you happen to capture, this can also lead to surprising colorings.

But all that fancy hand-waving aside: Sepia filter really looks like what, for whatever reason, happened here. Check the EXIF data of the original photograph.

Answered by user95069 on May 9, 2021

The first shot is by ambient light. Likely this is warm shop florescent with maybe a mix of standard tungsten bulbs. It is this warm lighting that enhances brass. The second shot is flash. Modern flash outputs a colder light. Actually it simulates north blue sky lighting. You can try setting different color temperature or you could use a image editing software. Another approach is to buy a few inexpensive pin-up lamps with tungsten bulbs. Another approach is a warming filter. These are salmon colored glass or gelation filters that mount or tape over the lens. You want any one of the several color conversion filters. These are amber 85 -- 85B -- 85C buy then off the web.

Answered by Alan Marcus on May 9, 2021

My assumption is that the auto white balance took over.

The image, because you took the photo pretty close is dark everywhere except the brass. If the auto white balance is turned on, the warm tint of it was turned into a neutral color, gray.

See if it is the case. Take a test photo with white paper below. The camera will notice this white and use it to balance the white, leaving the brass alone.

Answered by Rafael on May 9, 2021

This looks like a processor issue. It looks to me like the camera has chosen to use the sepia filter despite the fact that effects are turned off. A white balance error would skew the colors universally. not specifically toward sepia. What camera are you using? It may be time for a replacement.

Answered by user85781 on May 9, 2021

LED flash is not white colour (continous spectrum like sun or edison or tungsten bulb). LED is RGB, a mixture of red, green, blue light. Cheaper / older (pseudo-)white LEDs accomplish this by using three separate LEDs (R + G + B). And as others have noticed there is a severe magenta cast in the flash picture which means there is no green in the picture. Could it be that your flash LED is broken / malfunctioning?

Answered by user97294 on May 9, 2021

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