Photography Asked on August 24, 2021
Suppose there are two photos taken in the following scenario:
Scenario 1 – Photo taken using ISO of 3200.
Scenario 2 – Photo taken using ISO of 100.
Both photos are taken in a medium light scenario. The photo in Scenario 2 is quite dark, while the photo taken in Scenario 1 looks good.
From my understanding, higher ISO gives a more grainy photo. So could a photo in scenario 2 (which appears quite dark) be modified in software (e.g. Photoshop) to increase the brightness, and be better than the photo taken with a higher ISO?
From my understanding, higher ISO gives a more grainy photo
I'm afraid your understanding is incorrect. High ISO doesn't necessarily give a more grainy photo as there are other factors involved. In some circumstances it can be the case that lowering ISO increases noise. I did an experiment a while back to prove this:
What you're seeing is exactly what you describe, one image shot at ISO 1600 unedited, versus the same photo shot at ISO 100, brightened in post to match the first image.
As you can see the ISO 100 image is considerably noisier.
What's going on is that images contain shot noise and read noise. Shot noise occurs because photons are emitted randomly by lightsources which gives rise to variations in the light hitting each part of the sensor. Read noise occurs as the analogue signal is transferred from the sensor to the ADC.
What the ISO setting on the camera does is amplify the analogue signal before readout and digitization. When amplifying the signal the shot noise gets amplified too, thus the signal to noise ratio is the same. However the read noise does not get amplified as it happens after amplification. When you shoot at low ISO and brighten the image in software, the photon noise, and the read noise both get amplified, giving a higher level of noise.
So why is ISO deemed to determine image noise?
It is true that the lowest possible level of noise is achieved at the lowest possible ISO with as much light as possible hitting the sensor.
It is also true that the greatest speed for my car is achieved in fifth gear. But this doesn't mean putting it into fifth with the engine idling will increase my speed. The biggest influence on speed in the throttle position. Gearing just prevents stalling or overrevving the engine.
In the same way the biggest influence on noise is the total amount of light falling on the sensor. But you have to set the ISO to avoid over or under exposing the image.
ISO does not have a direct relationship with noise, if you have a very dim scene with little light falling on the sensor then you will have noise regardless of the ISO setting. Likewise if you have tons of light falling on the sensor you will have very little noise regardless of the ISO setting (though you might have overexposure!)
Another problem with perceptions of noise and ISO is that in any of the automatic shooting modes P/Tv/Av increasing the ISO will cause the camera to alter the shutter speed and/or aperture which results in less light hitting the sensor which means more noise. However in manual mode for a fixed shutter speed and aperture, increasing the ISO will not result in more noise being present in the image.
So why does any of this matter? After all if you want the lowest noise your camera can offer you just set it on a tripod, pick ISO 100 and leave the shutter open as long as possible before the image becomes overexposed.
The problem is that thinking about ISO first can lead to misunderstandings. For example when using the above approach in dim light with the aperture wide open, the shutter might max out at 1/30s. People remember the ISO 100 = lowest noise part, forget about the need to get a correct exposure (or are mislead by the image on the back of the LCD, which can look well exposed when you're viewing the screen in the dark) and end up underxposing the image, giving more noise than if they'd shot at say ISO 400.
It is just as correct to say the lowest possible level of noise is achieved when as much light as possible is hitting the sensor (without overexposing the image) and the ISO is as high as possible (without overexposing the image). In most cases the highest ISO possible will be 100.
Thinking about the level of light first, then the ISO avoids pitfalls when there is some limit to how much light you can get onto the sensor during the exposure.
There are other minsunderstandings that originate from thinking about ISO as the primary factor that determines noise. One such misunderstanding relates to a camera's base (minimum native) ISO. Someone with a camera Y whose base ISO is 200 might think "since ISO 200 gets me the cleanest images, wouldn't it be great to have ISO 50 like camera X". Now it may be the case that camera Y has a sensor with fantastic quantum efficiency, and very good microlenses meaning it is very efficient at capturing light, hence images become overexposed quickly, leading to a high base ISO. Camera X might have a much older sensor with poor QE, no microlenses and low fill factor. It wastes a lot of light and thus requires longer exposures. It also produces images with the same level of noise at ISO 50 as Y does at ISO 200. Just because the number is lower doesn't mean it's better.
Finally thinking about light first helps explain "ISO less" sensors, such as the latest batch of Sony sensors found in cameras like the Pentax K5 or Nikon D800. The read noise is so low that it doesn't make any difference if you amplify the signal prior to readout, meaning that you can get comparable results at many different ISO settings, proving that ISO isn't responsible for image noise.
My preferred method of shooting is in manual mode with auto-ISO. This allows me to select the depth of field and amount of motion blur that I want/can tolerate in the image, and then have the camera minimise noise for me.
Correct answer by Matt Grum on August 24, 2021
If you have a tripod and you can, use low ISO. If you cannot use a tripod, increase the ISO because grainy images are better than shaked ones. A very dark picture cannot be recovered (as a burned one) once it gets "full dark areas" because there is nothing to recover (no details). So, if you can see things through your viewfinder and after taking the photo you still have details, it's OK. Also, check the histogram.
Answered by vectorialpx on August 24, 2021
To correct your statement a little,
"A higher ISO will produce a more grainy image at standard exposure."
The ISO used has no impact on the light entering the camera or the sensitivity of the sensor to light. A certain amount of signal must be registered to mute out the noise that is inherent in the system. At a high ISO, the sensor processes a smaller amount of light as more light and thus develops an image faster, but has more noise.
That same image, taken with a lower ISO, but at the same speed will still have the same amount of noise, but as Matt Grum points out, the digital conversion will likely amplify the noise and thus make a worse overall image as the levels going in will be so low when still in analog form.
The reason that there is less noise at standard exposure is that the additional time that light is collected by the sensor results in more signal compared to the relatively constant amount of noise.
Basically you get noise from both power fluctuations in the camera and in noise from the image sensor if you use a lower ISO and don't do a standard exposure.
Answered by AJ Henderson on August 24, 2021
Formally, it is better to go with higher ISO, as long as higher ISO is implemented the way it is supposed to be implemented: as higher gain setting for the internal analog signal amplifier in the camera, i.e. signal amplifier that works in the signal before it gets converted to discrete digital form.
From the purely mathematical point of view, internal amplifier also "multiplies" the signal, just like "Exposure" slider in some post-processing software does. However, the multiplication is performed on the analog side of the processing flow, before the signal is converted to digital form. This precludes any rounding errors that are invariably introduced when the multiplication (or virtually any other image value transformation) is performed on the discrete digitized values.
Of course, in order for all this to work, your camera must implement the ISO setting specifically by adjusting the gain of the internal analog amplifier. Cheaper digital cameras might implement "fake" ISO settings by keeping the amplifier gain constant and multiplying the image data after it was converted to digital form. Such implementation will offer absolutely no meaningful benefits over what you can do in post-processing. It is precisely the same thing as the "Exposure" slider in post-processing software.
Meanwhile, many modern SLR cameras implement majority of their ISO settings by adjusting the amplifier gain, while "simulating" the most extreme ISO settings (the highest and/or the lowest) by digital multiplication. There's no point in using such simulated ISO values for the reasons mentioned above. Some cameras might implement "standard" ISO values (lie 100, 200, 400, 800 etc) by adjusting the amplifier gain, while simulating fractional ISO values by digital multiplication from the nearest "standard" ISO value. Again, there's no point in using such simulated ISO values.
Answered by AnT on August 24, 2021
If the iso 3200 is not overexposed then the iso 100 is very dark, not just quite dark. In 8bit range it would go between 0 and 15 pixel values, so very noisy, and the iso 3200 would be quite fine, except in dark regions.
These images are ISOs 200,400,800,1600 from left to right on an old Canon 400D where high iso was known to be bad. But still the ISO 1600 is the best.
Indeed, the best way to lower noise is by adding light to teh sensor, through settings or by adding light to the scene. These operations come with a cost: adding light changes the scene we want to capture, adding light through exposure time risks motion blur which can be worse than the noise, and opening the iris (if possible) decrease the DOF and makes the lens soft, and maybe even add some fringing.
Here I added flash, iso 200-800 (1600 would overexpose):
Here we see that now there is enough light to make a low noise image in all cases - especially notice that going up in iso still doesn't make it noisier. Lack of light makes it noisy, not high iso.
In conclusion, light > iso, but higher iso != your enemy; it is your friend when the light fails you.
Answered by Michael Nielsen on August 24, 2021
It depends on the camera. Increasing the ISO boosts the signal from the sensor, and this is different than brightening the image in post. High ISO can be thought of as a hardware boost while brightening in post can be thought of as a software boost.
Increasing ISO might result in less noise, it might not, compared to post processing brightening. Most cameras boost the signal only up to a point (400 to 1000 ISO or so) and achieve effective ISO increases on top of that by software manipulation. Again, at what point this happens varies by camera model.
You'd have to test your specific camera model to know how the effects of high ISO and PP brightening differ.
In any case, you want a good exposure, that is you want raw data with the most useful information in it, and the expose to the right technique is usually a good way to achieve this.
Answered by obelia on August 24, 2021
You are talking about a digital camera here. If at equal exposure, quality could be improved by lowering the ISO value and digitally amplifying the signal, why would the camera not do it by itself? Where would be the point in artificially making the image worse than it can be?
With film, you could argue that similar techniques could make some sense since exposure and lab processing are two different stages controlled by different actors, and if you had control over both actors rather than just one, you could improve results in a manner that you couldn't by only controlling exposure.
But the digital photograph produced in the camera is completely under control of the camera. If underexposing and then amplifying the result digitally would be the best way forward, that is how ISO would be implemented (in fact, "ISO invariant" sensors like newer Sony Exmor sensors do it in that manner; but with numerous other/older/smaller sensors the circuitry in the analog domain can do a better job when it anticipates lower exposure).
Answered by user95069 on August 24, 2021
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