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Can´t control shutter speed/aperture values in P mode, half clicking the shutter

Photography Asked on January 1, 2021

When I half click the shutter on a Canon XSi/450D in program mode to setup shutter speed and aperture, theese values will show up in the topmost two boxes in the interface (starting from yesterday):

10″ F3.5

What is this?

I expect something like

1/90 F5.6

Also, if I change the values using the index finger on the dial, the shutter speed will not change. It seems to be stay to a couple of seconds.

How do I change the shutter speed?

Edit: The ISO has been 100 when the problem started and have been set to 400 later on, still having the problem.

5 Answers

In P (Program Auto Exposure) mode, shutter speed and aperture are automatically set. The only thing you can control manually is ISO (unless you put it into auto ISO mode, in which case they are all automatically set. The only thing you can do is use exposure compensation (press the 'Av[+/-]' button while turning the main dial) to underexpose or overexpose your shots by a relative number of stops.

The behavior you describe suggests that you are in a dark environment (10 second exposure, wide open) and you turned off auto ISO, possibly while shooting in a different mode. Annoyingly, Canon's ISO mode is not dependent on the position of the mode dial, so turning auto ISO off while in manual mode means you get stuck at a fixed ISO when you put it back into a more automatic mode.

This is, IMO, a fairly serious programmer error/design flaw, as I have almost never wanted manual ISO when in program AE mode, and have absolutely never wanted automatic ISO when in manual mode. This is the single biggest usability flaw in the Canon system, bar none, IMO. Sorry you ran into it. Trust me, it happens to all of us.

Correct answer by dgatwood on January 1, 2021

10" F3.5

What is this? I expect something like

1/90 F5.6

" is the symbol for seconds. It means that the camera has chosen an exposure time of 10 seconds, and an aperture of f/3.5 (likely the widest possible). That indicates that the camera is metering the scene as quite dim, and is choosing values to let as much light in as possible in order to produce a normally-correct exposure.

Answered by mattdm on January 1, 2021

I will try to collect all the pieces from all comments and the question.

Note: Most information about this can be found in the camera's manual, which I tried to link accordingly. This is a rough explanation; some things are described in great detail in the manual, other things can be found on photo.stackexchange.


Am I not able to pick the shutter speed freely in P mode?

No, you are not. p. 56 in the manual offers the following information about P mode:

To obtain a good exposure of the subject, the camera sets the exposure (shutter speed and aperture) automatically.

In P mode, you can either change the exposure compensation (see below), the ISO, and/or the relation between shutter speed and aperture. So if you want to have a fixed ISO of 800, but switch from f/4 and 1/250" to something with a greater depth of field and/or more motion blur, give the main dial a push. 6 clicks and it should become ISO 800, f/8 and 1/60", which offers the same exposure value.


How do I change the shutter speed?

To set the shutter speed, use either Shutter-priority (Tv) mode (only setting the shutter speed) or Manual (M) mode (setting both aperture and shutter speed). Bulb (B) mode would also work, but you would have to hold the button as long as you want the exposure to be - not useful for anything below 1", and usually not really useful without a timer-controller remote shutter control.


Is metering and EV Scale related?

Yes, it is. The EV indicator (p. 18 for the LCD representation, p. 19 for the viewfinder one - and p. 78 for general information.)

The EV indicator shows either your dialed-in exposure compensation (in all modes except M and B) or the result of the camera's metering (in M mode).

Think of the EV indicator as temperature readout display / adjustment knob, while the metering is the thermostat itself. You can see how hot (light) it is via the display or you can adjust the temperature (exposure compensation) via the display, while the thermostat (metering) is then working with your values and trying to get the radiators (aperture, shutter, sensor) to achieve the desired values.

Therefore, when you set exposure compensation to 0, the camera will try a "neutral" approach: a grey card should come out perfectly grey. If your shots are overexposed (because most of the subject is black), you can dial in a negative exposure compensation (left side of the scale), while for underexposure (because much of your subject is white) needs a positive compensation (right side of the scale).

In M mode, you have to do your own exposure - and the EV indicator helps you at that: it shows you how the camera believes your shot will be exposed. This is not as good information as a histogram (or, even better: a waveform), but it offers a bit of orientation.


Should shutter speed increase like this because of the change to spot metering?

Metering (p. 77), on the other hand, defines how the camera evaluates the frame. Spot metering, for example, will just evaluate the middle of the frame and nothing else. So if the middle of your frame is pitch black, but the surrounding area is white, then your exposure will be quite bright. As a rule of thumb, spot metering is best left alone unless you really know what you do.

Answered by flolilo on January 1, 2021

If you want to change shutter speed, ISO and aperture, use M(manual) mode.

In manual mode you can change everything.

Answered by user3111290 on January 1, 2021

On Canon camera: frame the picture, press the star button to set the exposure (without pressing the shutter button). Use (front on my M5) scroll wheel to exchange aperture for shutter speed. Then press shutter.

Once exposure is set by pressing star - not only can you exchange A and T as above, but if you press ISO button you can use the rear dial (canon M5) to adjust ISO. Very useful.

(On my LX100 exposure is continually minitored and values continuously visible, and in p mode you can exchange values by scroll wheel all the time (no star press needed))

Hope it makes sense.

Answered by Paul Shopland on January 1, 2021

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