Personal Finance & Money Asked by Peter Duniho on July 27, 2021
My car was "totaled" by my insurance company, but they did so only after repairs were made. They wound up paying the body shop for the repairs, as well as paying us their salvage value for the car. Both payments were significantly above the value of the car, so of course the combined payment was well above the value of the car.
This is in the State of Washington. The insurance company is under no obligation to total a car. The law simply provides for them to do so at their option under certain circumstances.
I cannot figure out why the insurance company did this. Is there a way that someone involved in this, either at the insurance company or the body shop, or perhaps both in collusion, managed to illicitly make money from this situation? Or is the insurance company simply not managing their claims correctly?
The car was a battery-electric vehicle (Nissan LEAF). Blue book was relatively low in part because that model/year suffers from short-lived batteries, and indeed I was looking at the possibility of having to spend another $8000 (or more) to replace the battery if I was going to keep using the car.
From my perspective, I’m ahead at least $17000, between the salvage payment and the cost of the battery I no longer have to purchase. Money I can now spend toward a replacement vehicle that will work much better for me than that car.
But it seems to me that the insurance company has paid out $9000 more than they needed to. They were under no obligation to total the car and could have simply paid for the repairs and let me keep the car. Their net cost now is at best around $10,000 (their total payments of $16,000, less the $6000 value of the car). And of course, since the car’s title now is denoted as "salvage", it’s unlikely they could even get the blue book value of $6000 for the car, so that figure is optimistic for them.
That means their net cost was at least $3000 more than it should/could have been (i.e. as compared to just paying for the repair), and probably significantly more than that. That alone argues against the insurance company choosing that outcome.
But beyond that, how does someone at the body shop and/or the insurance company itself wind up making extra money on the deal? The insurance company is already down the $3000 compared to what they could have done. Is someone scamming the insurance company by somehow invoking the salvage/total process and then skimming even more money off the already-imbalanced accounting? If so, where did that extra money come from? Did they misrepresent the costs to the insurance company, such that the insurance company wound up paying out even more money than I’m aware of?
Naturally, I understand that this community can’t know what actually happened at the insurance company and/or the body shop. I am asking to find out whether there is a well-known, well-understood scam that causes this sort of non-intuitive outcome to occur.
Obviously it’s always possible regardless that the insurance company is just behaving incompetently. I’m wondering though if there’s an alternative explanation that at least rationalizes the outcome.
The other repairs from the previous accident seem to have added value to the car. The insurance company gave you $7k to return the car to its pre-accident condition. In addition to that, you filed the other claim, which resulted in another driver's insurance putting in an additional $7k ("$14k worth of work total") to improve the car beyond its condition at the time of the accident. The fair value for your car is not the KBB value at the time of the accident ($6k), since your car is now in better condition than at the time of the accident. The car's list value should be somewhat higher than that, since it's a $6k car with an additional $7k worth of repairs. The insurance company must believe they can sell your car for more than $9k (otherwise they wouldn't have bought it from you), which is likely related to the value of all the repairs in total.
At the start, the insurance company's options are as follows:
After you've made the repairs, you have a $6k car that has an additional $7k worth of repairs, possibly bringing its value north of $9k. The insurance company wanted to buy your car because they could likely sell it for more than $9k. This route minimizes the insurance company's loss - they pay you $7k for the repairs, but then make money on the totaled car.
Correct answer by Nuclear Hoagie on July 27, 2021
You're over-thinking it. The actual value of used, damaged, cars (not the hilarious "value we try to tell consumers") is basically zero or at best "a hundred dollars".
One of their computers simply wrote off a loser.
The insurance "industry" is a spectacular gravy train via government lobbying.
Buy shares in insurers. Or, if you're dumb, buy shares in companies that have to make and sell stuff.
Answered by Fattie on July 27, 2021
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