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Personal Finance & Money Asked by Bach on April 14, 2021

There is a marketplace that buys aged amazon accounts. I thought it might be a good idea to sell them my amz account and make some money. The team member was quite unprofessional when he reviewed my account, and he wasn’t even fluent in English (I think he was pakistani), but that was ok. Then they offered me a nice amount of money and I accepted the offer, so a team member emailed me I should send him my bank account info so he can wire the money. I told him I’m not comfortable doing that, maybe we can do some other method of payment (paypal, chase quickpay, etc.). He got all upset and was very rude to me, he said either I give him the info, or the deal is over.

So do you guys think this is a safe deal? Is this normal? I mean there are so many methods of payment nowadays, why would he insist on wiring the money, when I clearly told him I’m not comfortable with that. Is he trying to pull off some scam, or is he plain rude? I mean is there any logical reason why they would prefer wiring money over other methods of payment? I can’t help but think this is some kind of scam, although the marketplace has quite a lot of good reviews (or maybe they’re fake?).

5 Answers

There are two things wrong with this:

  1. Sketchiness with bank information. He could be:

    • Planning to take money out of your account.
    • Pay with reversible/fake/stolen money, then ask you to partially pay him back.
    • Pay with reversible/fake/stolen money, then do nothing (i.e., just so he can get your account for free)
  2. Sketchiness with buying an aged Amazon account. An aged Amazon account can be used in many ways:

    • To leave fake reviews.
    • To make purchases with stolen credentials with reduced Amazon fraud screening.
    • To make purchases as a means of laundering money without it being tied to other transactions.
    • To pretend to be you in order to cheat Amazon (fake refunds, etc.)

Amazon's terms state that "You agree to accept responsibility for all activities that occur under your account or password." If you give your account to another user in this fashion, Amazon could theoretically sue you. Amazon has sued larger scale buyers and sellers fake reviewers in the past. If nothing else, Amazon may try to ban you from their platform.

It's not clear whether the company is planning to do #1, #2, both, or something else. Fundamentally, this person is doing something dodgy, so I recommend against getting involved.

I'll note that paying a user to do something dodgy/criminal is a common practice with con artists, even when all they want to do is drain your bank account. Search for the phrase, "you can't cheat an honest man," for various discussions of why this is the case.

Answered by Brian on April 14, 2021

I should send him my bank account info so he can wire the money.

To be quite honest, this is perfectly legitimate. It's how wires work. Also, you give out your bank info every time you write a check.

(Let me strongly emphasize: legitimate wire transfers do not require your bank username/password. All that's needed is the bank's routing or IBAN number and the account number on your statement.)

maybe we can do some other method of payment (paypal, chase quickpay, etc.).

You're right. It is, after all 2020, and there are a dozen legitimate ways of transferring money. Most of what you listed, though, are America-only.

Xoom allows for US$10K/day, but not to Pakistan (if that's really where they're from).

He got all upset and was very rude to me, he said either I give him the info, or the deal is over.

That's the same hard sell technique used by crooked salesmen since the dawn of selling. I wouldn't touch this.

Answered by RonJohn on April 14, 2021

To answer your question directly: There is no honour among the thieves, so it's possible your partner in crime is trying to scam you.

First of all - selling Amazon account is against its ToS. See: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201909000

Second of all - you need an account number to wire the money. Duh. (To clarify: I mean the bank number not login/password)

PayPal is worse than banks (or the same for example in EU PayPal is a bank) - if you think using PayPal will protect you in this shady deal you're making (and you know perfectly well it's shady), you're wrong.

Answered by Marcin Raczkowski on April 14, 2021

The real goal may be to identify suckers

Con games on the Internet are getting very, very smart. There's a trick: Screening victims to exclude the savvy. They want the right ratio of greedy, naïve and crooked... and they don't want anybody else.

Microsoft Research wrote an amazing paper about how scammers deliberately mention "Nigeria" to repel the savvy: leaving only the naïve. Offering to buy aged Amazon accounts is obviously shady as all getout, and so it also selects for the crooked, and the greedy.

So the aged Amazon account may only be a bonus; the real goal would be to identify someone who can be manipulated. You might get all the usual dodgy scam stuff. Transferring too much money "Oh, could you transfer the extra back please [using a totally different and non-reversible method]? My father just went in the hospital." (and then, the payment reverses). Printing fake paper checks using the account info, and using those against other scam victims. (Multi-way scams are now a HUGE thing, where they play 2-3 victims against each other).

Or, since you have flexible morals, they may offer you an "office worker" job cashing checks. (those same checks I just mentioned, but other people's).

Or they plan fraud with your Amazon account

You are not allowed to sell your Amazon account. Ever. It contains your reputation, both publicly and internally in their risk-analysis system.

Amazon actually contains an "eBay" inside it - anyone with an Amazon account can list items on Amazon Marketplace, which are inter-mixed with regular Amazon results. ("Sold by and ships from XXX" right under the Buy Now button). Further, anyone who sells on Amazon Marketplace can place the products in the Amazon warehouses and then, those items ship with Prime. ("Sold by XXX and Fulfilled by Amazon"). There is so much mischief a fraudulent seller can get up to, using the trust Amazon has placed in you.

It's not just that it's an aged account. IT's also a US/CA/UK account. As you surmised, these people are foreigners, and Amazon has done the "Know Your Customer" diligence to ascertain that you are an American/Canadian/Brit, and as such, have a level of trust since you're well within the reach of US law enforcement if you were to commit fraud.

If you're very, very lucky, the worst they'll do is buy a bunch of their own products with your account so they can leave fake reviews - that arms race has been going on for years. (to show the extremes they'll go to, search the web for stories of people receiving unordered product. They're willing to give up a lot of cheap Cheese junk to buy some good reviews on the platform).

If you're very unlucky, they'll use it to fund terror.

Whether or not you are OK with them doing the above, the appearance will be that you are OK with it. Since you conspired to do it.

You are implicated in whatever they do

Or, don't leave your ID at a crime scene...

Both the authorities and a sufficiently motivated private party, if burned or concerned by activities with your former account, can chase you down. For instance, I would file a "John Doe" lawsuit, subpoena from Amazon the identity data of the account owner, and your name would pop up as a past owner. Discovery would have a fair chance of turning up the fact that you sold your Amazon account for money. It goes downhill from there. The argument would soon come up that you knew, or reasonably should have known, that selling an Amazon account was a breach of contract, and that the buyers would likely be up to no good. That would remove any defense of innocence, and would increase your risk of liability, even making it hard to wipe it out in bankruptcy.

Such legal action tends to be full of uncertainties and might make for a rather nerve-wracking year, possibly leading to a substantial cash payout, at the very least for your own lawyer.

While the chance is not large, the risk is certainly large. So unless you have a strategy for dealing with those risks, you might want to think twice.

Answered by Harper - Reinstate Monica on April 14, 2021

It's a scam from the start. Offering to buy your Amazon account is a scam. It is not legal for you to sell that Amazon account, and Amazon can and will hold you responsible for anything that goes wrong with your account. For example if these people sell stuff, take the money, but don't deliver anything, Amazon will hold you responsible for returning the money.

So we have established now that the people trying to buy your account are scammers. And since he is a scammer, you will NOT receive any money from him that you can legally keep. Anything you will receive in your bank account will disappear shortly afterwards, but since they are scammers, they may have other tricks up their sleeve.

Answered by gnasher729 on April 14, 2021

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