Personal Finance & Money Asked by user110101 on August 4, 2021
To my understanding most stores have policy that a refund must be done to the same card that was made to use the purchase. However this is not always the policy and I don’t think there’s a legal or technical requirement for it.
I noticed that when I get a refund it undoes the credit card points or cash back that I had gotten with the purchase. Hypothetically if I use a different credit card for a refund, would the card that I made a purchase on still allow me to keep the points or cash back because they "didn’t know" about the refund?
The reason why the store & credit card companies want to credit the refund to the same card is:
I have never known a store that allowed you to use another card for the refund. If you no longer have the card, or it was a gift, they generally allow you to convert it into store credit.
But if they did allow this...the first card would never know, and you could keep the points. Unless of course the points program was being run by the store.
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Answered by mhoran_psprep on August 4, 2021
There is a financial incentive for merchants to refund to the same credit card, which is why most stores require it. Those that don't require it are willing to take a financial hit to do their customers a favor.
Your CC bank charges merchants a fee every time you use your credit card. If you return something and the merchant reverses that charge, they get (most of) the transaction fee back from the bank, and consequently the bank reverses your points too. If the merchant refunds you any other way besides reversing the CC transaction, then the merchant eats that fee and you keep your points. This includes refunds to another CC, or cash refunds, or store credit.
Note if you did this purposefully, you are technically "stealing" from the store, not your bank.
Answered by TTT on August 4, 2021
I am not a/your lawyer; this is not legal advice.
I believe the intent, at least, of the Amex Card Member Agreement you mentioned in a comment would not permit refunding a returned purchase to a different credit-card (or for cash). Further, were you to manage to do this, they would be within their rights to cancel any cash back you may have been credited with.
First, we have the following clause from the above agreement:
Permitted Uses
If permitted by the merchant, you may return to the merchant goods or services obtained using your account and receive a credit to your account.
As an essentially disinterested third-party, I read this as meaning that receiving a credit to your account (the one used for the original purchase) is a necessary part ("and receive") of the returns process.
A little further on, obtaining a cash refund is explicitly prohibited:
Prohibited Uses
- return goods or services obtained using your account for a cash refund,
The reason behind this clause is probably more to prevent avoidance of the fees or higher interest rates of a cash advance, but the effect is the same: you cannot get cash for a returned purchase.
(Incidentally, were I an Amex lawyer, I would probably try and argue that a refund to a debit card would effectively count as a "cash refund". However, because debit cards are not explicitly mentioned, that argument may not work).
Next, we have:
Prohibited Uses
- obtain a credit to your account except by way of a refund for goods or services previously purchased on your account,
This clause explicitly prevents an Amex card from being the "other card" in the scenario you are asking about. In other words, if you bought something on a different credit-card (and got points from that card's cash-back scheme), you would not be permitted to return the item and have the amount credited to your Amex card.
In summary, my reading is that refunds of purchases to your Amex card should be made to the original card (where they will cancel/reduce cash-back rewards). Refunds in cash or from purchases made on other cards are explicitly prohibited.
Whether attempting (or succeeding) in getting a refund "that they don't know about" (so as to not lose the cash-back) counts as fraud, or "just" a breach of their terms and conditions I don't know. However, the above agreement contains, in relation to the cash-back program:
We may disqualify you from participating, or terminate your participation in the cash back program at our sole option and discretion at any time with or without cause and without giving you notice
So if they ever find out (or even suspect) that you have "abused the system", they could cancel your participation.
Answered by TripeHound on August 4, 2021
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