Personal Finance & Money Asked by Hegi on June 2, 2021
I am approaching this question from a Computer Science perspective (Developer, Programming etc.), so apologies if the question is trivial. I have been searching the web for a while, but I am afraid I am too unfamiliar with the domain to yield useful answers, so a brief explanation and maybe some references / pointers would be welcome:
Let’s say I have currency ABC
, DEF
and XYZ
. (Like USD
, EUR
, GBP
etc.) Now if I want to convert ABC
into any of these, I’ll end up having something like this, using ABC
as the base:
1 ABC = 1.5 DEF
1 ABC = 0.75 XYZ
Now if math holds true, then the if I change the base from ABC
to DEF
and XYZ
, I should see this:
1 DEF = 2/3 ABC
1 DEF = 0.5 XYZ
1 XYZ = 2 DEF
1 XYZ = 4/3 ABC
Now, the questions:
1 DEF = 0.56 XYZ
instead of 0.5
, in the above example?100 ABC
-->
150 DEF
==>
80 XYZ
–> 106 ABC
)As @DStanley pointed out, reciprocal values are not the same, so let me clarify further.
In other words, where I am going at is something like this: is this ‘base currency’ a thing in exchange or not really?
CAD
, the USD --> EUR
ratio is 1.27
CHF
, the USD --> EUR
ratio is 1.28
USD
, the USD --> EUR
ratio is 1.30
GBP
, the USD --> EUR
ratio is 1.32
Here’s an ‘example’ maybe this helps to conway what I want to know.
Lets say you have a 130 USD
in bank notes and you want to convert it to EUR
. You get the EUR sell price
, and you’ll be able to buy 1 EUR
for 1.3 USD
, so you’ll get 100 EUR
. Now, if you want to buy USD
with your 100 note
, you’ll only get 120 USD
for the 100 EUR
. (so 10 bucks is the profit for the intermidiery. So far so good)
Now what if, you have the same 130 USD
in bank notes, you still want EUR
but you are from Canada. Is there a mandatory USD --> CAD, CAD --> EUR
transition first, or can the canadian institute work with the 1.3 ratio
as the US counter-part. Or, and this is the most important bit I guess, can they give an EUR
for 1.27
, instead of the 1.3
because of some ‘magic’?
Apologies I am struggling to formulate the question itself. It really highliths my lack of domain knwoledge and agan, thanks for the help!
Is there a mandatory transition first
No, not at all. People can and do directly buy/sell X for Y.
1 ABC = 1.5 DEF
There is really no such figure for any currency pair.
All there is are bids and offers.
(You may be thinking of the "most recent sale price" on an exchange.)
reliable source to find
Consider bids and offers for EUR in USD.
Be aware: there is no "central" or "sole" such exchange.
There are numerous companies (ie, exchanges) worldwide which buy and sell EUR for USD.
(Both at a "wholesale" and "retail" level.)
As I understand it, your investigation relates to tracking bids and offers on some given exchange. It can only be specific to a given exchange. (Or, sure, some sort of average, or "the biggest one".)
Correct answer by Fattie on June 2, 2021
is it possible that the rates are different?
It is possible that the reverse is not the exact reciprocal due to bid/ask spreads. In FX markets, like stock markets, there id a difference between the price that you buy and the price that you sell. Since "buying" an FX rate is equivalent to "selling" the inverse rate, the prices are not always exact reciprocals.
In retail markets, where there is just a price (not a bid/ask), then exchangers may charge a "spread" above the market rate in order to cover their expenses and make a profit. Since the spread will be added to both the original rate and its inverse, they will not be the reciprocals of each other.
what is a reliable source to find out the exact rates for different base currencies?
If the exact inverse rate is not published, but you have bid and ask values for the original, then the bid of the inverse should be the reciprocal of the ask, and vice-versa.
Also, can the difference be so significant that after doing a loop I end up with more money?
Only for very short time periods (if at all) - otherwise arbitrageurs would take advantage of this risk-free market by buying and selling the various currencies, which would bring the prices into equilibrium.
Answered by D Stanley on June 2, 2021
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