Personal Finance & Money Asked by Irfan Kadikoylu on March 28, 2021
I am trying to decide between investing in a distributing ETF or an accumulating ETF and to me the distributing ETF seems clearly to be the better option. Since so many people invest also in accumulating ones, that makes me think that I might be missing something here. So I figured I better ask here first:) Here is what makes me think that the distributing ETFs are superior to accumulating ones:
In the country I live in (Germany), the tax law is set up in such a way that in both distributing and accumulating ETFs you pay exactly the same capital gains tax on the gains made via the dividends.
However, when you want to take some cash out of your account (and that will happen at some point either at retirement or earlier – otherwise what is the point in investing) then there does a significant difference occur. Let me compare the two using a concrete scenario.
Accumulating Scenario:
Suppose that you invest 50k to an accumulating ETF today and 10 years later it becomes worth 100k. Now if you want to withdraw 2k from your account at the 11.year then you’ll have to sell some shares and pay capital gains tax for the profit you made in that trade (which is 1k, as your ETF has doubled in value). In Germany, that tax would be around ~200.
Distributing Scenario:
This time you invest 50k to a distributing ETF and whenever you receive a dividend payment you invest all of it back to the fund (for simplicity assume that your brokerage account does not charge you anything for these share purchases). Since (as pointed out above) for dividends there is no difference in tax in either ETF type, after 10 years your portfolio is again worth 100k. Now if you want to withdraw 2k as before, (assuming that your ETF has a dividend yield 2%) you can just get it from dividend payments throughout the year. As you did not have to sell any shares in this scenario, you don’t suffer the capital gains tax, which was ~200 in the prev scenario.
Am I missing something here?
In the country I live in (Germany), the tax law is set up in such a way that in both distributing and accumulating ETFs you pay exactly the same capital gains tax on the gains made via the dividends.
I am not sure you are right here.
In both cases, the Vorabpauschale is calculated as the gain which you could have made in a "safe way". As the interest rate for calculating the VAP becomes lower and lower, it tends to be irrelevant.
If there still was a positive VAP with a base interest rate (Basiszinssatz) of, say, 1%, we could look at it via the following example:
Now, with a base rate of 0.5%, the VAP for the ACC would be 5 € and for the DIS would be 1 €, plus taxes on the 4 €.
With a base rate of 0%, the VAP for the ACC would be 0 € and fot the DIS 0 € as well, plus taxes on the 4 €. So in this case, the DIS is taxed higher then the ACC.
For the VAP calculation, it is irrelevant whether the NAV of the ETF gets higher because of reinvested dividends or whether it only consists only of shares which don't pay any dividends.
So the initial claim "ACC and DIS are taxed the same way" is only partially valid.
So let's take your scenarios with the 50000 € and a payout of 2000 € after 10 years:
Assume (compounding aside) you have a plus of 10 % per year and a base rate of 2 % (much higher than today).
ACC case:
DIST case:
So to conclude: the ACC case is much better for now, as only a part of the nominal gains are really taxed each year using the VAP method. For the 2000 €, it doesn't matter in the end, as you pay your 20 % taxes of the 1000 € made as gains. But for the remaining money, it is more tax efficient to keep it as an ACC ETF.
(Correction: For the 2000 €, it makes a difference as well: if you take it out of the ACC ETF, only 1000 € are gains, the other 1000 € were already here. For the DIS ETF, you have 2000 € as gains, all being taxable.)
You'll have to pay taxes on all gains eventually, but as said, they might occur at a time where your personal tax rate is below the 20% rate and you might get taxed lower ("Günstigerprüfung", i. e. check whether it is more advantageous to pax a lower tax).
Correct answer by glglgl on March 28, 2021
(Using $ because that's what's on my keyboard.)
The $50,000 growth in the Accumulating ETF are known as Capital Gains
. In the US, you only pay taxes on those gains when you realize (aka sell) some shares in year 11.
Also in the US, a "Distributing" ETF distributes dividends every year, and so tax must be paid every year on the dividends (but not any capital gains).
Thus, your question needs to be, "How does Germany tax unrealized capital gains?" That will tell you whether an Accumulating ETF or Distributing ETF is better.
Answered by RonJohn on March 28, 2021
German tax laws have found a very complicated way to compute the tax for ETFs. But in the end it basically comes down to the same amount of taxation for both, see the example here. The tax is always charged when the dividend is distributed respectively your dividend gains are accumulating. Capital gains by appreciation are only taxed when they are actually realized.
The big advantage of accumulating ETFs over distributing ones is that for a distributing ETF is is your responsibility to reinvest the dividends to receive compound interest. You will need the discipline to invest the dividends and not spend them otherwise. An accumulating ETF will do this automatically for you and guarantee a compound interest effect.
You should also consider your broker's fee structure. Many brokers in Germany still charge hefty fees for buying ETFs and accumulating often is considered buying, charged with 1.5-2% provision.
Answered by Manziel on March 28, 2021
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