Personal Finance & Money Asked on August 23, 2021
I have an item on sale on eBay for the relevant price of about 750€, I am having a hard time to sell that and I don’t want to get rid of it for little money because of supply/demand law.
A buyer with decent positive reputation (60+), 100% positive feebacks and a recent successful purchase, has contacted me via eBay messaging to ask for installment payments, because they claim they don’t have full money available at the moment. I was never asked to continue somewhere else (e.g. direct email, Whatsapp, Telegram…). Buyer is from my country and writes in a correct non-English national language.
Their proposal was to split the payment in 3 monthly installments, after which I could ship the item. The buyer may assume that we make a private, out-of-auction deal, which is against the rules of eBay, and is often requested by buyers. I asked for the preferred payment method between SEPA wire transfer and PayPal. They chose PayPal.
For both parties’ safety, I had the following plan in my mind:
What possibly could go wrong?
I also have made a list of spare plans for my own safety.
And if for some reason I get more money on my PayPal, I am ready to never send it to another address or buy Bitcoins (the buyer never mentioned any overpayment)
Some research:
Is this Paypal request a potential scam – Indeed, I have received a direct request. But the buyer never asked me to send direct PayPal request. Come on, I think it’s very paranoid to suspect of any private message. And I said that banks may reverse credit card payments even on legitimate sales
How to protect yourself from fraud when selling on eBay UK – Fully agreed and following advices. Actually this is about general safety in eBay sales and does not only apply to installment payments
eBay Q&A – The answer says "DO NOT SEND" a paypal invoice for partial amount. Likely. This all is likely not within the rules of eBay, but nor against, so we are in a grey zone. I assume that as soon as eBay gets their own fees they will have nothing to discuss with me. And while the answer says that in caps, it doesn’t explain why not to send. And that’s not my intention to send partial invoices which could cause unwanted problems later.
My current conclusion
Currently, I have no yellow or red flag here. I don’t see ways for this buyer to get both my item and their money. No way that can’t be perpetrated with a regular one-time PayPal payment (see literature on reverse charges and false claims by buyers). But since I never experienced such a situation, it looks anomalous and is alerting me.
Question
In order to review my case with the community, I would like to ask:
Is there anything fishy or, particularly, a common scam pattern in this?
From the financial standpoint, not (just) my compliance to eBay rules, can I risk losing money/item?
Could be there something I may have overlooked?
I am asking this question to better understand possible outcomes.
Never take an installment plan over the internet
This is almost certainly a scam. Why?
They contacted you directly and want to bypass eBay - red flag.
As you've already pointed out, the buyer could back-out and demand his money back. This sounds like a new form of of the we overpaid scam, where they overpay and request money that was never theirs back.
Answered by sevensevens on August 23, 2021
Here's a useful test for these sorts of situations: put yourself in their shoes and think if their actions are reasonable. If you are afraid of being scammed by this person, why aren't they also afraid of getting scammed by you?
In other words, if you really wanted something on ebay but could not afford it, would you come up with this convoluted transaction method with a complete stranger? Personally, I would be terrified of paying off the item only to have the seller disappear with my money. I would be afraid of not having any recourse since it is no longer an ebay transaction.
There is an obvious explanation for why they don't appear to have any fear about this transaction: they are scammers. Are there other explanations? Sure, it's always possible. But the vast VAST majority of the time it's a scam. It doesn't need to make sense. It doesn't need to fit a pattern.
Is there anything fishy or, particularly, a common scam pattern in this?
The con in conman
is short for confidence. Conman schemes work because they are experts in the marketing technique of "foot in the door". The whole point of the initial conversation is to find a mark who isn't turned off by strange requests. They want to gain your confidence.
Here's the problem with trying to fit what you know to a common scam pattern: that part comes later after you are already invested.
Answered by eps on August 23, 2021
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