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Rough idle and stop when I first start the engine in the morning

Motor Vehicle Maintenance & Repair Asked by Semih Aydogan on June 16, 2021

I have 2005′ Legacy 2.0 4AT.

Problem 1

  • As I mentioned in the subject. When I first start to the engine it’s quickly working but somehow if I try to change gear to D it stops (sometimes it’s not but when I press the gas pedal, it again stops or I need to press to the end). I need to wait until the engine gets warmed. During wait time rpm idling 400-500 and it shakes or stalling etc. After the car getting warm then it does not do anything, working fine.

-Add info chronologically;

I use that car 5000 miles like this.

Problem 2
-1-2 week ago;
I tried to clean the throttle body without completely disassembling, now sometimes when I use the car it’s down limp mode and the gas pedal not responding. (Sometimes during this limp mode, rpm up to 3000 without touching the gas pedal, sometimes not.) When I restart to the car, it turns back to normal.

-Last week, I received P0032 and P0037 o2 sensor errors. I deleted with obd2 but P0032 still remains and pops up again quickly.

One Answer

In my shop, I bumped with several Subarus with the same first symptom. Usually, they are related to vacuum leaks, PCV valves, tumble generator valves, and fuel pressure regulator or fuel pump. Sometimes, MAF sensor. Every cause has its own characteristics that give us a lead to where to look. Gets easier using OBD2 real-time readings. Example: If there's a LOT of misfires, be suspicious of LEAKS or TGV (Tumble Generator Valves). If the engine stops when you press the gas pedal, MAF, or leaks.... And maybe the two issues may be related.

Since you disassembled your TB, the first thing you should do is hunt for leaks. No air can be admitted AFTER the MAF sensor. Start checking the tightenings, gaskets, everything you worked on. Then, give a good look at the intake air tube for rips or leaks. Check if ALL vacuum hoses are in the right position and if they are not torn. Check the very small hose with the L shape of the fuel pressure regulator (15 and 16 in the second image), check the brake assistance vacuum hose, and check the PCV valve. Subaru's PCV valve rarely fail.

Then, if the problem continues and you are absolutely sure no air is being admitted after the MAP sensor, you should then check both tumble generators. Start checking the wire. Then, check if they are moving using your OBD2 device. Try to read both at the same time, they should vary equally.

Tumble Generator Sensor and Actuator

Things to check

Anyway, I don't know if any of this will help you, because, when we talk about engines, there's a universe of things that can cause the exact same issue. I just pointed you the most common.

Answered by Fausto on June 16, 2021

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