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Does Assumptions not work on Root objects?

Mathematica Asked by theorist on December 29, 2020

Typically, one can restrict symbolic quantities using Assumptions.

Suppose, for instance, that I want to solve $a=x^2$ for $x$, with $a>0$, restricting my answer to the positive root.

r1 = Reduce[a == x^2, x]
Simplify[r1, Assumptions -> x > 0 && a > 0]

$x=-sqrt{a} ,,||, x=sqrt{a}$

$sqrt{a}=x$

However, it appears that Assumptions does not work on symbolic quantities when they are expressed as Root objects. For instance, r2 contains four symbolic quantities:

expr=H3O^4 + H3O^3*(KaHA + KaHB) + 
H3O^2*(KaHA*KaHB - (cHA*KaHA + cHB*KaHB) - Kw) - 
H3O*((cHA + cHB)*KaHA*KaHB + Kw*(KaHA + KaHB)) - KaHA*KaHB*Kw;
r2= Reduce[expr==0, H3O]

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Now suppose I want to determine if any of these gives a positive value for the variable H3O when all the parameters are postive:

sr2=Simplify[r2, Assumptions->H3O > 0 && KaHA > 0 && KaHB > 0 && cHA > 0 && cHB > 0 && Kw > 0]

The output of sr2 is identical to that of r2. Yet a single numerical test shows that the restrictions given by Assumptions are ignored. Specifically, Simplify/Assumptions returns all four Root objects for H3O, even though only one of them numerically evaluates as positive:

N[sr2 /. {KaHA -> 10^-(375/100), KaHB -> 10^-(4756/1000), cHA -> 5/1000, cHB -> 5/1000, Kw -> 10^-14}, 10]

H3O == -0.001074531007 || H3O == -0.00003186037898 ||
H3O == -9.999999686*10^-13 || H3O == 0.0009110246413

I tried to apply Simplify/Assumptions to another expression that also contains Root objects, and encountered the same behavior.

So does Assumptions not work for Root objects generally and, if so, why?

It’s possible this is happening because Root objects need to be “unpacked” (with ToRadicals) before constraint-testing can be done by Assumptions, and Simplify doesn’t unpack Root objects.

One can restrict the answer by instead applying the restrictions within Reduce:

 r3= Reduce[expr==0 && H3O > 0 && KaHA > 0 && KaHB > 0 && cHA > 0 && cHB > 0 && Kw > 0, H3O];
 N[r3 /. {KaHA -> 10^-(375/100), KaHB -> 10^-(4756/1000), cHA -> 5/1000, cHB -> 5/1000, Kw -> 10^-14}, 10]

H3O == 0.0009110246413

As to why I don’t just use the latter (r3) as a workaround, r2 runs in a fraction of a second while r3 takes ~10 hours. So I was hoping that r2, followed by Simplify/Assumptions on Root objects, might take less time.

But if unpacking is needed, the time will be long either way. For instance, I could unpack r2 using ToRadicals, and then apply Simplify/Assumptions to that, but then I get back to the same problem: excessive computation time.

Hence it seems I need to either pay on the front end (in Reduce) or on the back end (ToRadicals and then Simplify/Assumptions) because it’s the constraint-testing that is time-consuming, and it has to be done one place or the other.

[N.B.: I am using MMA 12.0.0.0 for MacOS.]

One Answer

r1 = Reduce[a == x^2 && x > 0, x]

(* Re[a] > 0 && Im[a] == 0 && x == Sqrt[Re[a]] *)

restrict the parameters that are intended to be restricted.

From the documentation page for Simplify in the section Properties & Relations: Assuming[x > 0, Simplify[Sqrt[x^2]]] (* x *)

Simplify[Sqrt[x^2]]

(* Sqrt[x^2] *)

Simplify[Sqrt[x^2], x > 0]

(* x *)

From the documentation page for Simplify in the section Properties & Relations: Use Solve or Reduce to find solutions of systems of multivariate equations: shows example that do not contain parameters.

This gives a first impression that Reduce or Solve are not intended to give rich parameter solutions. They allow for many multivariations.

This is an experimental equation of three constituents water and A and B. During protolysis there is HA and HB reaching equilibrium. The system is in water at a certain condition {T,p,V} and there is a certain mass or amount of each of theses. The equilibrium constant Kw is a function of {T,p,V}. There are tables filling pages for this. Kw is read-off and @ciao is right use the numerical value, magnitude of it and reduce complexity for Mathematica. Then fastest is

Block[{KaHA = 10^-(375/100), KaHB = 10^-(4756/1000), cHA = 5/1000, 
   cHB = 5/1000, Kw = 10^-14}, 
  NSolve[expr == 0 && H3O > 0, H3O]] // AbsoluteTiming

(* {0.003565, {{H3O -> 0.000911025}}} *)

Block[{KaHA = 10^-(375/100), KaHB = 10^-(4756/1000), cHA = 5/1000, 
    cHB = 5/1000, Kw = 10^-14}, Roots[expr == 0, H3O]] // 
  N // AbsoluteTiming

(* {0.091388, H3O == -0.00107453 + 3.7183910^-21 I || H3O == -0.0000318604 - 5.5478510^-19 I || H3O == -1.10^-12 + 5.6608310^-19 I || H3O == 0.000911025 - 1.50162*10^-20 I} *)

gives the most exact results. Only one is positive and valid and Reals after Chop is applied.

Answered by Steffen Jaeschke on December 29, 2020

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