Home Improvement Asked by dabi on February 20, 2021
My question is for both load and non-load bearing walls.
There used to be a hinged door between the kitchen and dining room, who knows when it was removed (I’ve been here a couple years). The door frame is still intact. The opening is roughly 6’8" high and I’d like to know if I can extend this opening all the way up to the 8′ ceiling.
For the second situation, I have a small hall that ends in a T-intersection where you need to turn left or right towards bedrooms. This might be part of a load-bearing "line" of the house, for my question lets assume it is. Similarly, can I remove the wall above this opening such that the passageway opening goes straight up to the ceiling?
I’m unclear on what the header, king, and jack requirements are for a passageway that has no door attached.
Edit: Above the ceiling is 24" tall ‘attic’ under a flat roof. 2×6 ceiling joists 16 OC and 2×6 roof rafters 32 OC.
What are the requirements for a header for an open passageway through two rooms?
The answer to that question is project specific. Some general advice below, but the project specific requirements depend on local regulations as well as the structural requirements of the design itself.
Obligatory: hire an engineering firm to investigate and "be sure" (in quotes because engineers can be wrong, and really what we hire an engineer for is in large part to take on liability for problems caused by proceeding with the work).
That said: yes, you should be able to delete the intermediate headers ("drop headers") on interior partition walls in single family, wood framed, residential construction in the USA without impacting the structural integrity of your home in both your first and second cases. Generally speaking, you'll want to selectively demolish layer by layer and make sure you reconfigure any structural "Load Bearing" elements appropriately. What I mean is, if you pull the gyp board off and find that the wall is sheathed with a tight nailing pattern and is clearly "built up" (more than just 2x4s and gyp board) beneath the gyp board, then you should assume you have a shear wall. Otherwise, as far as single family typical residential construction in the USA goes, any structural elements in a wall with an opening (like the doorway) should be directly beneath the Load (in this case, at the top of the wall (note: where no cracking or other defects are visible which might imply that the opening was cut into a structural wall as a renovation and compromised the integrity of the "work" the wall is performing). In your case, I don't know of any reason why a structural header would be built above a doorway with a pony wall above it supporting the actual load.
To address your first scenario in specific terms, the picture shown above: If the information above applies and is accurate, and we determine it is reasonable to proceed assuming this is not a shear wall, you have two options in the event this is carrying a joist running perpendicular to a Structural Header at the ceiling plane above the doorway header:
To address your second scenario in specific terms (the T intersection):
To address the framing element requirements (header, king, jack): there are three scenarios:
The important point I'm trying to get across is that you should only proceed if you know what you are doing and you are willing to take the risk even if you know what you are doing. Also, if you're not the owner, check with your landlord first.
Good luck @dabi!
Correct answer by Jon on February 20, 2021
With an engineer and lots of money you can remove any wall you want. The way to remove walls below the ceiling is to add supporting beams in the attic. These beams need to rest on something solid, like a wall on either side of the door opening. The span and size of the beam will depend on the distance between such supports. You need to have a better understanding of the attic space structure.
Answered by anm767 on February 20, 2021
It's almost surely possible but how much will you have to modify? Let's assume a structural header is required.
If the header is already high enough, nothing might be required, just remove cripples. If the header is not high enough you may still be able to do this. You might raise a header into the attic and the use hangers to support any beams. Supporting posts would need to be installed to support the new header.
Answered by Matthew on February 20, 2021
For the first question - yes you can remove that for sure, from a structural point of view. You obviously want to remove drywall and make sure there are no electrical, plumbing or air vents going through.
The second question is way too broad. There are for sure load bearing components there and there is absolutely no reason to wonder "what if" until you figure out what is load bearing. Sometimes at that section of a house it is - everything.
Answered by DMoore on February 20, 2021
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