Home Improvement Asked by Toronto77 on January 29, 2021
I’m having a new above ground pool installed, and the package I purchased comes with a 1.5 HP pump. When I was originally talking to them, they said most people just run an extension cord from their garage or outdoor outlet. Because I want this to look a little cleaner, I was going to trench this, and bring a new receptacle to the pump. I have a 14/2 wire from my panel to my garage that I brought in when I did a reno long ago, but haven’t hooked up yet. My original plan was to hook up that wire, and extend it out to the pump, and use a GFI receptacle.
Here’s my problem. The pump instructions say it should be hooked up to a 20A breaker, which I obviously can’t do with what I currently have.
If “everyone” is just using an extension cord off an existing receptacle, and I am really going to have an issue with my setup, where essentially that pump (and salt generator) are going to be on a dedicated 15A circuit? It’s only a 15 foot round pool, so I don’t expect that the pump will be running for very long during the day. Or if I use 12/2 from the 14/2 connection point, is there something I can do at that junction?
Thoughts?
Thank you for your help.
Edit – I’ve added a picture of the label off of the pump, as well as a picture of the wire
Edit #2 – In case anyone is wondering or curious, I’ve installed the pump, and the electrician measured the draw. The 1.5HP pump is drawing 17 Amps on initial start up for about 2 seconds (literally), and then drops to 12 Amps and hums away.
Thank you to everyone for your help.
1.5HP at 120V is going to be around 20A Full Load Current, you CANNOT run that on a typical "extension cord", nor can you run it on 14ga wire and a 15A circuit breaker. The Code requires that the conductors must be rated for 125% of the motor FLC (taken from a table in the NEC, which is where the 20A comes from), so that means 24A MINIMUM rating of the wire. 12ga is only rated for 20A, so a 1.5HP motor will require 10ga wire and that means a 30A circuit MINIMUM (might be higher depending on the distance and voltage drop issues). So no matter what you decide (conduit in the ground or a temporary cord), it will not be a standard circuit/receptacle.
If your pump motor is reconfigurable to run on 240V, that would make the motor FLC 11A, so it might work on 14ga wire (again, depending on distance and voltage drop), but it would be 2 hot conductors, coming from a 2 pole circuit breaker.
Salesmen don't like to tell you the truth on these sorts of things because it might make you reconsider doing it, so they just say "Most people..." Gets them off the hook for lying.
Answered by JRaef on January 29, 2021
Right off the bat, finish with your original intent, and hook the cable up to a GFCI receptacle that is inside the garage. Now come off the receptacle's LOAD terminals to your underground line to the pool area.
What you don't want to do is bring unprotected 120VAC out to a pool area and then fit a GFCI recep there. Because then, the wiring does not have GFCI protection, and the wiring can electrify the ground. Especially if NM cable is used, which is not made for outdoor use.
Anyway, continue off the GFCI's load terminals via UF-B cable buried with 12" of cover because it's GFCI protected... or run a conduit type of your choice from that indoor recep outside, then switch to 1/2" Rigid conduit for the underground run to the pool, this can be buried at 6" of cover (but it's expensive). Use THHN individual wires inside the Rigid conduit, do not put UF-B cable in conduit (won't fit anyway).
Use 12 AWG wire or cable.
As far as extending off the 15A circuit, yeah, you kind of painted yourself into a corner on that. I'd go ahead and replace that #14 run with #12 (or just run it alongside) and call it a life-lesson learned.
Violating the installation instructions is a bad idea. If anyone gets hurt at your pool (and electrical drownings are absolutely horrible, gut-wrenching, life-changing things), they will go over your setup with a fine-tooth comb. Any violations, you'll have a problem.
Answered by Harper - Reinstate Monica on January 29, 2021
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