Home Improvement Asked by bobuhito on August 30, 2020
My house has "star connections" (from the central circuit breaker panel box)
for the neutral lines to power different rooms, as is normal.
There is no GFCI to worry about.
Would any problem be created if I shorted all of the house’s outlets’ neutral
points together externally (e.g., in a ring which would make the current star
ineffective)?
This same question can be posed for the outlets’ ground points. In the end, I’m
trying to understand if there would be any downside to wiring a house from the
beginning with star connections only for the hot lines, using a ground ring
plus a thick neutral ring around the house, but I know that no one does this – Why?
One potential problem I see is that a few rooms might gang up to push neutral
current through part of the neutral ring, so let me assume the ring cable is
thick enough to handle all ganged currents.
It is not safe to allow the return (neutral wire) current to flow anywhere but very close to the hot wire that delivered it. In other words, for any circuit the hot wire and the neutral wire must be kept adjacent.
The reason for this rule is that there is enough current in house power wiring to cause significant inductive heating in any nearby conductive material. Also, this is why home wiring is commonly sold in cables of 2 or 3 power conductors -- to help keep corresponding hots and neutrals adjacent.
Your scheme would have the neutral current for each circuit flowing far from the hot wire. This violates modern electrical codes everywhere, and is a serious fire hazard wherever alternating-current electricity is used.
Correct answer by A. I. Breveleri on August 30, 2020
Actually, house cabling is done in a "Tree Topology" not a "Star". A star is a kind of tree... of course, so is a vine. The point is your cable routing can branch at any point you want, but it can't re-join another branch, and the wires especially can't create a loop.
Safety ground excepted, because it is not a current-carrying conductor.
Current flows in loops. Neutral is the normal current return path. Really, neutral is just another hot conductor, except the earth bonding was chosen in a manner that happens to put neutral fairly near earth, if the Grounding Electrode System is working properly. In fact I had a building where that was not the case at all, and neutral was 120V from earth, and it all worked fine.
So on a simple circuit, half your current flow is on neutral; it is equal and opposite to flow on hot.
Current never flows on equipment safety ground except during a fault condition. It sinks wayward lighting and ESD to earth, and human-made current back to source. We hope that induces an overcurrent or GFCI trip.
It causes all manner of trouble if one is used in place of the other. In fact doing so is worse than running ungrounded: It's normal that if the neutral wire breaks, it floats up to line voltage; that's why we insulate it. But if some fool has bridged neutral and ground, that means grounds are now electrified too!!!
Suppose you run two wires out to a point-of-use: one supply, one return: current is making a loop on these two wires. The wires are parallel and tightly packed together. Does each wire throw an Electro-Magnetic Field? Yes. Are they opposite since currents are opposite? Yes. Since it's a loop, currents are equal and opposite. Does that mean the EMFs cancel each other out? Yes.
Suppose you don't do that. You take a circuit in which current is flowing, and wrap their wires so the current flows in a loop around something. What happens?
Well, we know in DC power, it sets up a magnetic field. But if the DC current is non-changing, it's just non-moving - no different from a refrigerator magnet.
But what about alternating current? Uh-oh. Now you have a very animated magnetic field. Pity any nearby compass; it's going to be jinking back and forth at line frequency. So anything ferrous is going to be vibrating in that field.
What will it be pushing against? The wire itself. So the wire will be vibrating too. What could go wrong? Now we're into the world of metal fatigue, and then, wire overheating due to reduced cross-section due to cracking, and then, arc faults. What great firestarters those are!
We also know that's how the inside of a transformer works: if there was another loop of wire in the vicinity, we'd be inducing AC power onto it.
Now, why are transformers laminated? To break a type of magnetic flow called "eddy currents". What happens with eddy currents? At the least, eddy current heating.
Now, an induction motor rotor is just an aluminum cylinder. Why is it slotted? Again to cut those eddy currents and force magnetism to run the length of the rotor. So what if it's not slotted? Again, eddy current heating. In non-ferrous metals. Really.
So the upshot of this is, Having power take a "world tour" around your house is a bad idea. In fact it's prohibited; look at NEC 300.3 et.seq.
The entire concept of neutral not having breakers is because neutral should never be handling current for anything except its partner hot. (or hots in the case of an MWBC).
So as soon as you glob all neutrals together into a web, you now have a big problem. One neutral could return more than its capacity, and you'd never know it.
In fact, a neutral wire breaking is perfectly routine and unsurprising event. In proper wiring, what happens is simple: the circuit quits working. Person goes to fix it, hot is working, asks us here, we tell them to check neutrals, voilà. Your system would keep on working, with neutral detouring onto other neutrals that don't have the capacity for it and their normal traffic. You'd never know if you were overloading neutral, unless you double the size and expense of your panels to fuse neutral.
Routine maintenance often requires severing the neutral wires temporarily. You can't do that if there's current flowing through the neutral, because severing will instantly cause a voltage differential equal to line voltage. So you need a practical way to de-energize the neutral wire (or to be more precise, all the hots feeding the neutral). Your system provides no way to do that short of shutting off the whole service, which means working in the dark without power tools. NEC and local jurisdictions do not allow that.
Your logic is that you're going to rewire this some time in the future. Not without GFCI/AFCI you are not. AFCI became a requirement for some circuits in NEC 2005. And by 2014 virtually every circuit required one or the other, and in 2020 some require both. AFCI has a built-in "mini GFCI" as that is cheap way to detect H-G and N-G parallel arc faults. Neither one works with shared neutrals. And, you may not know this detail, but AFCI can't be done at the recep, it must be at the breaker.
Most of the 120V world uses El NEC. Canada basically copies it and gives it a different name. Japan and the Philippines pay close attention to NEC changes. (you won't be doing this in the Philippines anyway; both their wires are hot). Everybody else goes off the European playbook and they require whole-house RCD: you might evade an RCD trip there, but it'll still be a Code violation at several levels.
Answered by Harper - Reinstate Monica on August 30, 2020
Fascinating question. Definitely not to code, but conceptually:
Answered by manassehkatz-Moving 2 Codidact on August 30, 2020
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