Home Improvement Asked on November 18, 2021
I’m prepping to build a fence in the back yard and am going back and forth between using crushed gravel and concrete. I’ve read lots of differing opinions on the pros and cons of each.
I’m leaning towards using crushed gravel as it’s easier to repair posts if they rot. I’m just worried that with clay soil it will just fill with water and stay there for days. I’m not 100% sure the concrete would help that though as I assume water would still get in to the post and sit there.
On the other hand I’m also thinking concrete would be easier to install, as tamping 30ish holes 48″ deep with crushed gravel doesn’t sound very fun. I will be using pressure treated lumber if that helps
Anyone else build fence in heavy clay with any luck? Any recommendations greatly appreciated, thanks!
I am a fourth generation fence company owner in Florida. In my entire career, we have set wood 4x4s in the ground without concrete as does every other fence professional around. The concrete is not smooth in a hole and holds water. Every single post set this way rots quicker right at the top of the concrete in just a few years. However soil alone packed well will over time form a suction-like seal around the post to hold it very well, and the post will last for decades without ever rotting at one spot. ** (this is true unless doing government work. They require a one foot radius of concrete around the post because they obviously like to spend extra dollars and replace the fences more often. In my opinion).
Answered by Marc J. on November 18, 2021
I always use exterior clear sealant where concrete meets post at base. This keeps water from getting between concrete and post. I also brush on a waterproofer on entire post that is above the concrete. I then spray the post a rubberized undercoater to about 4 or 5 inches above the base. Very effective in case any water or dirt contacts the post. I use pressure treated posts. Takes no time at all and a very economical way to keep posts lasting many years.
Answered by Tim on November 18, 2021
In clay soil, the water just sits in the hole, especially where the water table is close to the surface. Gravel lets the water get right up against the post, which will rot it out fast. Using concrete will help the post to last longer, if you create a dome of concrete above soil level and make sure it is smooth and tight against the post. This will ensure that no water gets down into the post. Also, make sure the bottom of the post is not below the concrete level or the post will soak water up from the bottom (pour a little concrete in the hole, then set the post, then fill the rest of the way)
Answered by bill on November 18, 2021
Your reservations are very warranted. I've never had a problem in using just the soil I took out to put the post in. Even posts that warped severely after installation moved the fence, not the ground.
The good thing about clay is that water runs off and doesn't penetrate deeply at all. So, stay away from concrete, it retains moisture to the full depth and rots the post. Same goes for gravel, it just creates a pocket to receive water to then drain into the soil. Crown around your posts to force water away and keep fence panels/pickets 1/2" off the ground, you'll be set for decades.
Answered by Iggy on November 18, 2021
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