English Language & Usage Asked by Iain Samuel McLean Elder on August 12, 2021
When I call the buzzer outside my girlfriend’s flat, she sometimes says *“I’ll open you the door”. I correct this to “I’ll open the door for you”.
I’ve never heard a native speaker say it the first way, which is why I think it’s wrong. But I can’t explain why.
There is a pattern in lots of English phrases that would suggest both are correct. A few common examples:
Give the keys to me before you go — Give me the keys before you go
I’ll buy a coffee for you at the cafe — I’ll buy you a coffee at the cafe
We sent a text to Martin on his birthday — We sent Martin a text on his birthday
The left-hand side is more formal, and the right-hand side is more common in everyday speech.
What do you call this pattern?
What makes the ‘open-the-door’ sentence an exception?
The answer to the presenting question is:
is ungrammatical because you won't wind up owning the door by virtue of my opening it.
Ordinary bitransitive verbs of transfer (tell, throw, bring, hand, pass, send, etc.), where the direct object (the trajector, semantically) is transferred from the subject (the source) to the indirect object (the goal), normally are subject to the Dative Alternation:
Besides these, however, there's also a Benefactive construction, which uses for instead of to, and identifies someone for whose benefit something is done. This can be added to any sentence, 3-place bitransitive, 2-place transitive, or 1-place intransitive. Here we discuss only the transitives:
In precisely those situations where the Benefactive object of for ends up possessing the direct object, the sentences can undergo Dative; in those cases where they don't, they can't.
The last two sentences show that this extension of Dative to Benefactive is not governed by the verb used (fix in both cases), but by the intended meaning of the clause, including idioms, presuppositions, and metaphors.
Correct answer by John Lawler on August 12, 2021
Open you the door isn't the exception at all. Most verbs capable of having both a direct and an indirect object don't readily accept the possibility of just specifying both objects without using any prepositions (but if/when you can do that, you always have to put the "indirect object" first).
There's a significant US/UK divide here, as illustrated by these Google Books results...
American usage: cash a check for me" (954), cash me a check (82).
British usage: cash a cheque for me (242), cash me a cheque (305).
As a Brit, I don't have any real problem with OP's exact usage and context, though I'm aware some people would find it anywhere between "slightly odd" and "totally ungrammatical". Taking it a bit further though, probably almost everyone would say that...
"Look who's in the driveway, Johnny! Go and open Auntie Ethel the door!"
...is "totally unacceptable".
EDIT: I don't really disagree with John Lawler's observation that the "ditransitive, prepositionless" dative alternation construction largely turns on whether the beneficiary ends up possessing the direct object. But it's not a hard-and-fast rule - particularly, I feel, in BrE.
As this source says, the above intended reception constraint [beneficiary ends up possessing object] comes with a certain amount of inherent fuzziness. And to illustrate that fuzziness, it gives actual "acceptability" figures for a few "marginal" constructions...
a: Could you iron me these shirts? [76%]
b: Could you wash me the dishes? [54%]
c: Could you clean me the windows? [47%]
d. Could you open me the door? [25%]
My own feeling is that this form is becoming more common (those figures were collected almost 40 years ago), and that it's more likely when the beneficiary is a pronoun (particularly, me). I'd be prepared to bet that if the above survey were repeated today, b above would score higher than 54%, but "Could you wash Mum the dishes?" would score significantly less.
Answered by FumbleFingers on August 12, 2021
Open is a transitive verb, not ditransitive, so it only takes one object, e.g. door.
I will open the door - one object (door)
*I will open you the door - two objects (you, door)
The second sentence seems weird because open doesn't take two objects.
A ditransitive verb takes two objects. For example, give can be ditransitive:
I gave you the money - two objects (you, money)
Answered by Matt E. Эллен on August 12, 2021
As you noticed, many verbs can take an indirect object, and can also express the indirect object with to or for. But there is no rule that anything expressed with to or for must be convertible to an indirect object, and therefore "open the door" is not an exception to the rule.
There are plenty of examples of verbs that work this way:
Break a leg for me != Break me a leg.
I bought balloons for the party != I bought the party balloons.
They brought the discrepancy to the director's attention != They brought the director's attention the discrepancy.
There's nothing special about open that prevents it from taking an indirect object; if anything, the "special" verbs are the ones that do take the indirect object.
Answered by JSBձոգչ on August 12, 2021
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