English Language & Usage Asked by user64814 on August 30, 2020
Actually the usage of same as seems very crucial to me. I have mentioned some other constructions below. All the followings options confused me. All they mean same to me. I cannot decide how they differ from each other. Is it possible to explain which options among the followings are correct, and how correct options differ from each other in terms of meaning?
a) This car is the same one that you bought me.
b) This car is the same that you bought me (one is omitted).
c) This car is the same one you bought me (that is omitted).
d) This is the same car you bought me (one that is omitted).
e) This is the same car as you bought me (as has been used instead of one that).
f) This car is the same as you bought me (Verb order is changed).
Now I need to change the subject. It will give us some other options.
He has the same car as me.
He has the same car as I do.
His car is the same as mine.
Are these three options equally correct?
In your first four examples, #1-3 are felicitous (stylistically correct/normally formulated, at least according to my dialect of American English), while #4 is not.
In most cases, using "same as" makes it clear that you're comparing two different objects (although the word order also matters). Without the "as", the meaning is more ambiguous. I think the intended meaning is pretty clear in your example #1 above, but this is not always the case. For example:
This is the same car I had (when I was) in college.
Here, the meaning is ambiguous. It could be interpreted as being the exact same car (I had it then, and I still have it now) or merely the same kind of car as the one I used to have. However, I think most people would assume the latter, since there are other ways to phrase the former statement - e.g. "I've had the same car since I was in college" - that sound a bit more natural. I can certainly see situations where you might use this phrasing to talk about a singular entity, but I think it's more commonly used for comparisons.
This (car) is the same as the car I had (when I was) in college.
Unambiguous. This car is alike in some way to a car that I had when I was in college, but it is not the same car.
In the context of cars, I think most people would assume that "sameness" means the same make and model. You could qualify the statement by saying something like: "This (car) is the same as the one you bought me, only a different color." This tells the listener that you are making a comparison between (1) the car that's in front of you now, and (2) a different car, which the listener bought for the speaker at some point in the past, and that the two cars are the same in terms of some relevant details (presumably the make and model), except for the detail that was explicitly mentioned (the color).
As for your other examples, (a), (c), and (d) are felicitous and equivalent in meaning to #1 above (there is only one car). Examples (b), (e), and (f) are not grammatically correct. The last three all sound fine to me, and I would interpret them in the same way: there are two cars (his and yours), and the cars are identical in some way.
Answered by pinkfrosty on August 30, 2020
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