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"Staring down defeat" vs "Staring down the barrel of defeat"?

English Language & Usage Asked on December 12, 2021

Yesterday I asked a [question][1] about the meaning of "to stare down defeat" and I got an answer. But as I searched the net, I noticed that there’s this phrase "to stare down the barrel of defeat" as a variant of "to stare down the barrel of gun". I wonder if, as one of the users mentioned in his comment on my previous question, "to stare down defeat" derives from "to stare down the barrel of gun/defeat".

As I learned from the previous question and from several examples on the net, "staring down defeat" means "struggling with and overcoming defeat personified as an opponent". But according to usingenglish.com, "If someone is staring down the barrel of a gun, there’s a high risk of something very bad happening". Examples:

"Murray stared down defeat just as fiercely as he glowered at a heckler in the crowd."

"Nick Nurse hailed the mental strength of his title-chasing Brighton Bears after they twice stared down the barrel of defeat and survived for a weekend win double."

One Answer

I do not think those phrases are related at all, neither in etymology nor in meaning.

Grammatically, those two phrases use entirely different predicates - in "to stare down defeat", the predicate is the transitive "stare down", while in "to stare down the barrel of a gun", the predicate is the ambitransitive "stare". In other words, the latter phrase does not use "stare down" as a phrasal verb.

This difference, I think, carries over to the meaning - "to stare down defeat" implies a certain degree of haughtiness and defiance that staring someone or something down would, but "to stare down the barrel of a gun" doesn't - it means you're in peril, but it doesn't mean that you're facing this peril calmly and in a calculated way.

They're two separate idioms, and "to stare down the barrel of defeat" seems to be a relatively new (and interestingly UK/Australia-specific based on a quick Google search) combination of them.

Answered by Maciej Stachowski on December 12, 2021

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