English Language & Usage Asked by Matt Joiner on May 12, 2021
Recently I was in a fish and chip shop in Mandurah, WA, selling local crumbed scallops.
A discussion of adjective ordering is the right approach here I think, but...
To me, “local crumbed scallops” would be already-crumbed scallops obtained locally; “crumbed local scallops” would be scallops obtained locally and then crumbed after being obtained.
Correct answer by nohat on May 12, 2021
Local crumbed scallops seems ambiguous, as it could be understood as local-crumbed scallops, where local is referring to crumbed; in that case, the hyphen is necessary to avoid the ambiguity. Crumbed local scallops is more clear, as it's evident that local is referring to scallops.
In English, the adjectives are written (or should be written) in a particular order; the answers given in Adjective order explain better in which order they should be written.
Non-local is generally not used; if the scallops are not local scallops, then they are generally called scallops.
Answered by kiamlaluno on May 12, 2021
There is a theory that adjective ordering is essentially universal (i.e. the same across all languages), so that in principle we ought to be able to give rules something like this:
The first rule means you could actually end up with variations of the sort "an elderly single mother" or "a single elderly mother" depending on which colloquation is intended.
The last rule covers some cases where adjectives following the noun can allow a "reversed" order or not, e.g. Rowlett (2007) cites French examples: "une jolie petite jupe [bleue fleurie écossaise']", which also permits "...[écossaise fleurie bleue]", with English "A pretty little blue floral Scottish skirt".
This goes for adjectives that are actually adjectives, incidentally: it isn't necessarily valid to class determiners, quantifiers, adverbs and nouns inside compounds as adjectives, for example (one of the links above appears to, and I think this could confuse the issue).
It should also be noted that we're talking about the unmarked order; for emphasis, the 'emphasised' adjectives can generally be placed before all others even if that means that it's out of place ("There are lots of cheap lawnmowers, but this is an OLD cheap lawnmower").
If you start giving actual lists of orderings (which, as I say, may be universal anyway), there is a danger in assuming that the order that applies with, say, nouns denoting tangible objects will then apply to nouns denoting emotions or actions.
Answered by Neil Coffey on May 12, 2021
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