English Language & Usage Asked on March 20, 2021
Apparently I’ve been involved in a debate in the Duolingo forums for about a year on whether when two possessors in a possessive construction possess the same shared/common object, whether the object should be in the singular or in the plural. At least in this particular construction.
People there have been discussing more than one aspect of the Korean and English versions of the same sentence, including previous versions of the sentence which may no longer be shown.
But this one point seems to have people defending both views:
It is two teachers’ birthday today.
vs
It is two teachers’ birthdays today.
Depending on how my brain is working, both can sound right or one sounds right and the other sounds wrong. In the thread linked I defended the position that both should be regarded as acceptable.
Right now I have convinced my brain that only the first is correct due to agreement between the Singular pronoun It, singular verb is, and singular object of possession birthday. Is this correct?
(The thread can be confusing as to which person is debating which point of grammar in some comments and replies.)
I don't see why "it" needs to correspond with the object of possession. It is raining cats and dogs; it is nuts!; it is many days since I last saw my love... "It" coincides with "is", not with what comes after "is"...
But, if you said, "It is Mr. Jones' and Mrs. Grant's birthday today", the singular "birthday" makes sense... so...
Answered by Yesenia on March 20, 2021
The lack of need for number agreement between dummy it and the semantic subject in an extraposed sentence is well documented. Haj Ross has quoted William James as the source of a sentence celebrated in analysis hereabouts:
Although the 'singular form for the singular possession, opinion etc of a group of two or more' principle is also well documented, and, for instance,
are unchallengeable,
and the like are equally acceptable.
So both structures suggested are acceptable grammatically. The 'car' examples above show that choice is, as one would expect, in the first instance informed by the actual number of possessions etc. The problem is, are we best considering 'a shared birthday' (we use the actual phrase) as a single, or two, events / days ('We had a lovely day at the seaside') / affairs / notions ...?
I'd say this is not a clear-cut decision to make. Modelling on 'They share a birthday', I think I'd stick with the single celebratory day notion, and hence use
But the alternative is perhaps equally justifiable, and if we're hinting at different parties, I'd perhaps opt for birthdays (somewhat metonymically).
Answered by Edwin Ashworth on March 20, 2021
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