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"is there such a thing as" - is this a colloquialism?

English Language & Usage Asked on December 27, 2020

I’ve been asked to edit a scholarly paper intended for publication, written by a non-native English speaker. Somehow I’m just not sure whether "such a thing as" is colloquial or not. I think so, but I don’t want to over-correct the paper.

The context is something like this: "In his paper entitled ‘…’, the author Joe Bloggs begins by asking whether there was such a thing as a national identity in [country] in [period]."

The paper referred to there begins with the question: "In what sense, if any, can [country] be said to have had a national identity in [period]?"
(Pardon my square brackets; I’m just trying to keep it anonymous.)

If "such a thing as" is colloquial, I’d rewrite it with something like, " … asking whether [country] could be said to have had a national identity…" etc.

Looking forward to your comments! Thanks.

2 Answers

If "such a thing as" is colloquial, I'd rewrite it with something like, " ... asking whether [country] could be said to have had a national identity..." etc.

Without knowning more about the context of your question, I think your interpretation of the actual meaning of this phrase is correct. It's quite subtle given its use of English language phraseology, but I believe you've correctly described it. The author is wondering, or even suggesting that a country may not have a national identity at this stage of its development.

Answered by Pete855217 on December 27, 2020

The phrase is there such a thing as is not a colloquialism in this sense:

[Merriam-Webster]
1 a : a colloquial expression
       // "Chicken out" is a colloquialism for "to lose one's nerve."
1 b : a local or regional dialect expression
       // "Bodacious" originated as a Southern colloquialism.

In other words, it's not a set expression in the same kind of sense as an idiom.

However, it would likely still be considered colloquial with respect to very formal writing:

[Merriam-Webster]
1 a : used in or characteristic of familiar and informal conversation
       // In colloquial English, "kind of" is often used for "somewhat" or "rather."
also : unacceptably informal
1 b : using conversational style
       // a colloquial writer

In other words, if the context were a scientific journal, common style guidance would likely rate the following sentences in the following way (I am paraphrasing slightly):

✘ Such a thing as a black hole without gravity does not exist.
✔ Black holes without gravity do not exist.

But the degree of acceptable informality, and what's considered formal, will vary based on context, publisher, and audience.

While I'd say that is there such a thing as (or just such a thing as) is slightly colloquial, I wouldn't personally necessarily reject it any of the kinds of essays I used to write.

Answered by Jason Bassford on December 27, 2020

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