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Is "moreover/further/furthermore/besides/additionally" used together with "also" a redundancy?

English Language & Usage Asked on July 12, 2021

I read from The Free Thesaurus that “moreover”, “further”, “furthermore”, “besides”, “additionally”, as well as “also” are synonyms. So is using one of those words along with an “also” in a style exemplified as follows a redundancy?

My hometown is a deplorable place for it is so urbanized a concrete jungle that even access to a tiny piece of the natural scene therein is desperate, and moreover, the cost of living therein is also so exorbitant that one usually has to have a very highly paid job to reach decent material condition.

Should either “moreover” or “also” be removed?

On the other hand, I see, in Oxford Dictionaries, an example:

The university itself, moreover, is also unable to launch a serious
defence of the proposed centre.

Therein “moreover” and “also” are used together.

Therefore I wonder whether it is proper to use one of the enumerated words together with “also”.

4 Answers

"Also" is redundant, which you can tell from the fact that its removal has no impact on the meaning of the sentence. Also, "so exorbitant" is redundant. You need "so" for the "so X that" construction, so replace the absolute "exorbitant" with the neutral "expensive".

Answered by Green Grasso Holm on July 12, 2021

I cannot hit every aspect the OP raises but I will address "moreover" and "also" in the first segment he gives.

My hometown is a deplorable place for it is so urbanized a concrete jungle that even access to a tiny piece of the natural scene therein is desperate, and moreover, the cost of living therein is also so exorbitant that one usually has to have a very highly paid job to reach decent material condition.

To simplify that

My hometown is ugly for x, y, and z reasons, moreover, the cost is (also) more than most can afford.

"Moreover" could be replaced with 'and' or 'and also' if you wanted.

My hometown is ugly in this complex way, and (also) has high rent.

But the problem with 'also' (where you have it) is NOT redundancy !

The issue is your are signaling a second attribute to "cost" that is not there.

This would work:

My hometown is ugly for complex reasons, moreover, the cost is hard to afford and also a bad value relative to other states.

So - not redundancy, but a comparative word placed where there is nothing it is being compared to.


As for the Oxford Living Dictionaries

The university itself, moreover, is also unable to launch a serious defence of the proposed centre.

@Jason_Bassford 's comment to another answer gives one way the sentence could work.

The residents are unable to launch a serious defence of the proposed educational centre. The university itself, moreover, is also unable to launch a serious defence of the proposed centre.

I would admit that the word "itself" and/or an omission of and object or party that the defense is being launched at boxes the "is also" into a mirror response.

Without 'itself' the university might be unable to do a few things in prior sentences.

If there were an object like "neighbors" then you could have Chemistry department is unable to convince it's faculty. Moreover, the University has been unable to launch at defense for the center in the planning council meetings.

Answered by Tom22 on July 12, 2021

Also can be used in two ways: First, it can be used as a synonym of moreover and other words that mean “in addition,” as in, “Also, here is some more information.” Second, also can be used as a synonym of too or likewise, as in, “I also do not like summer.” Generally, the first usage will be in an introductory form; that is, at the beginning of a sentence or clause.

Answered by user305707 on July 12, 2021

About synonyms

First of all, note that "synonym" can have two meanings. Paraphrasing a dictionary definition, it can be either a word that's exactly the same or almost the same. This fact is sometimes ignored.

You asked the question:

Should either "moreover" or "also" be removed?

with regard to the following examples:

(simplified)
My town is bad because X and Y, and moreover, the cost of living therein is also so exorbitant that...

and

The university itself, moreover, is also unable to launch a serious defence of the proposed centre.

and

"Furthermore, besides food intake, other factors can also affect stool size."

The definitions of "moreover" and "furthermore" tell us that they refer back to a previous thing said:

moreover
in addition to what has already been said; furthermore
Collins Dictionary

In the third example the sentence begins with "furthermore", so we have no idea of what has already been said. We can assume that it's a statement about food intake being a factor, but we don't exactly have this information.

However, "also" can be seen technically as a redundancy because you can remove it without changing it's meaning:

Furthermore, besides food intake, other factors can also affect stool size.

In the second example the only words before "moreover" are "The university itself", whose meaning is hard to identify exactly, probably because it isn't a complete sentence. Even if we replace "moreover" with "in addition", which is given as a synonym of "moreover", we need to know "in addition" to what? The "what" can't be "The university itself", because it's describing the "university itself" in some way in addition to something else, presumably said beforehand. So I'd say in the second and third examples we just don't have enough information with regard to "Furthermore" and "moreover".

In the case of your first example, we have more relevant information but suffers from a slight ambiguity in exact meaning. We have something basically like:

My town is bad because X and Y, and moreover (in addition to that previously said), the cost of living therein is also so exorbitant that...

To be accurate, we don't know whether the word "moreover" (in addition to) refers to the town being said to be bad, or "X and Y" (the reasons why the town is bad). I believe before we make a judgement as to what is or isn't redundant we should know exactly what the heck the sentence is saying, and it's not entirely clear in all of the example sentences.

Instead I'll focus on a simplified example based on the university example:

The university's partners are unable to fund it. The university itself, moreover, is also unable to fund it.

In this example you can make a case that "moreover" and "also" are mutually redundant. That is, you can remove "also" or "moreover" without having a change of meaning.

Now let's take another version:

The university's partners are unable to fund it. There are many obstacles preventing progress and this is one of them. Moreover, the university itself is also unable to fund it.

Here one interpretation is that the "Moreover" means "in addition to the one obstacle preventing progress" and the "also" is including the university proper among the list of entities that are unable to fund it. They can refer to different things, and I would argue are not redundant with respect to each other necessarily. Of course you could argue "also" is redundant on a very pedantic basis, because:

John is sick. Mary is sick. All the rest are sick.
is equal to
John is sick. Mary is [also] sick. All the rest are sick.
(also is not strictly needed)

Unless you REALLY wanted to get pedantic and say that by the time you read "Mary is sick" John has recuperated and is no longer sick. Haha.

So my opinion is that although in all your examples some redundant words seem to be used, it appears there isn't enough information or context, at least with two of your examples, to make this a certain evaluation.

Should you avoid so-called redundancies or tautologies at all costs?

I would argue there's a place for genuine redundancies, and that it's a stylistic choice. I would definitely use "and also" when just "and" would suffice. Here are examples of redundancies and what many consider to be redundancies:
In law
aid and abet (mean the same thing, exists for traditional reasons).

In idiomatic language
I fell / I fell down (would you fall up? OK this is a phrasal verb, but still, is it necessary?)
Above and beyond
free gift
tuna fish
safe haven
More contentious ones (in my opinion):
(close) proximity
(final) outcome

In oratory:
* we can not dedicate, we can not consecrate, we can not hallow, this ground.
(consecrate and hallow I'd argue are extremely close to being the same thing.)
* I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat. (Were these not metaphors, then they'd be different things. However being metaphors for sacrifice (or similar), then they all seem to mean the same thing in my opinion.

In literature and poetry
Only this and nothing more.

Syntactic redundancies (or at least strictly unnecessary word addition):
I entered (into) the room
I know (that) it's true

(Some of the above examples are taken from the pleonasm Wikipedia article).

Answered by Zebrafish on July 12, 2021

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