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"Insistently believing that this is a photo of Neil Armstrong in the face of everyone else's..." Can one really insistently believe something?

English Language & Usage Asked on April 30, 2021

The sub-context is that there’s an iconic photo of Apollo astronaut Buzz Aldrin on the Moon taken by a large format Hasselblad camera and in Aldrin’s gold reflective visor one can see the photographer Neil Armstrong in their space suit. Though the image is pretty small one can recognize the details of the suit, the camera being held, and through a process of elimination can determine which of the two astronauts it is.

Please let us not debate under this question post itself if the photo can or can not be characterized as a photo of (among other things) a photo of Neil Armstrong. Passions tend to run high when I suggest that it could be characterized that way.

Here I’d like to consider if a phrase that turned up in comments reflects a proper usage of the two adjacent words.

Insistently believing that this is a photo of Neil Armstrong in the face of everyone else’s description of the photo as one of Buzz Aldrin that has a small reflection of Neil Armstrong, is the classic definition of dogma.

Question: In this sentence should "Insistently believing that…" be taken as an assertion that I am "insisting" upon something simply by "believing" it? To me there seems to be some fundamental dissonance, that the mere act of belief and absence of a "you’re right, I’m wrong" is the same as insisting on something, either that the existence of my opinion is an act imposed on or statement made to others, or my failure to yield is.

Can we use these words in this way and be faithful to the range of definitions and usages they are understood to span?


  • Cambridge.org: insist: "to say firmly or demand forcefully, especially when others disagree with or oppose what you say"

  • Oxford Languages via google: insist: "demand something forcefully, not accepting refusal."

  • Cambridge.org: believe: "to think that something is true, correct, or real"

  • Oxford Languages via google: believe: "1. accept that (something) is true, especially without proof. 2. hold (something) as an opinion; think.


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One Answer

Yes, saying that somebody 'insistently believes' something is indeed odd. What makes it odd is that insisting on something normally proceeds from a conscious choice, while believing, as usually understood, doesn't. (One may choose whether to consider evidence for something, but after one has finished examining and weighing the evidence, it either leads one to believe it, or it doesn't; there is no room for any insisting to take place.) Moreover, insisting is something that one normally does when interacting with others, while believing takes place, so to speak, in one's own head.

The people who might be tempted to say that somebody 'insistently believes' something, either want to say that he focuses a great deal of conscious attention on that belief, or that he insistently defends that belief in interaction with others.

Answered by jsw29 on April 30, 2021

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