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How do you derive the adjectival form of an irregular verb such as "read"?

English Language & Usage Asked by bayda on November 27, 2020

If I understand correctly, some adjectives can be derived from verbs.

For example, an interested person is someone who is interested in me, and an interesting person is someone who is interesting to me.

So how you do it with irregular verbs?

In the phrase “do something with data which was read” could the “data which was read” be replaced with something like “the read or readed data”?

I’m confused by fact that this verb irregular and is spelled the same in 1-3 forms.

5 Answers

Nothing obviously, you can't really say "readed data" - perhaps with more of the context we can come up with something better.

English isn't always as clear as languages that can do things with verb endings - that's why technical phrases can sound clumsy.

Answered by mgb on November 27, 2020

The difference here comes in pronunciation, you would still use 'read' but speak is such as red or reed depending on the circumstance. For instance:

  • I can reed.
  • I red it.

Though, you could alter the sentence to replace 'read' with a couple of things, as per @Martin's comment 'entered' or 'loaded' could be used:

We do something with the loaded data.

We do something with the entered data.

We do something with the provided data.

Or it could be shortened, but this is depending on context:

We process the input.

Answered by Grant Thomas on November 27, 2020

here's a list of about 370 irregular verbs and from what you're asking here's some adjectives:

broken vase - from the infinitive "break"

burnt toast - from the infinitve "burn"

frostbitten fingers - from the infinitive "frostbite"

lip-read movie - from the infinitive "lip-read"

typewritten manuscript - from the infinitive "typewrite"

an so on and so forth, hope that helps! :)

Answered by Paul Amerigo Pajo on November 27, 2020

I think that technically "read data" is correct, but it sounds awkward (and appears even more awkward). To make it sound less awkward (without resorting to a different verb) you can add an adverb or change it into a phrasal verb:

  • the data read in
  • the recently read data
  • frequently read data

I think that those are fine.

Answered by adno on November 27, 2020

I'm confused by fact that this verb irregular and is spelled the same in 1-3 forms.

Exactly. Your readers will be confused too, if you write something like “examine the read data”.

Grammatically, the read data is fine. Practically, it is a confusing mess. Treat it as you would treat code that's technically correct but confusing: rewrite it.

For your amusement: Some other past participles that are exactly identical to the present tense are bet, burst, cut, hit, hurt, let, put, run, set, shut, and split. Some of these can be used before a noun (some burst pipes, the hurt children), but most aren’t normally used that way in practice (the hit batter charged the mound would be strange). Read is not alone, though it is especially bothersome for programmers.

Workarounds: An adjective or past participle with complements of its own can go after a noun: the people hurt in the blast, the amount bet on the first race, batters hit by wild pitches, the data read from the socket, the data read so far.

However, it is probably best to just drop the confusing word read and say the data from the socket or all the input so far or the data in 'x' where x is a variable name.

Answered by Jason Orendorff on November 27, 2020

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