English Language & Usage Asked by nCoM1kWuDFIjxZNd2zoE on March 17, 2021
Some ministerial departments of the UK government use ‘of’ in their name whilst others use ‘for’. What decides whether to use ‘of’ or ‘for’ in the department name?
Examples of ‘of’:
Examples of ‘for’:
As the brief discussion under this previously asked question (examples from Canada and US) shows this questions was never really answered, so I thought I might ask again to try to get some logical answers – if such thing exists.
I don't think there is a clear answer to this, but my feeling is that "for" is used when the department supports that thing.
For example: "The Department of Education" sounds like something that does the educating (and actually sounds like an Orwellian euphemism for somewhere troublemakers are sent, to return only as broken people), but they actually support (or at least are supposed to support) the process of education, which is actually done in schools, largely. So, "The Department for Education" makes more sense.
This is the list of UK government departments: there are 8 "Department for", and only one "Department of", the Department of Health and Social Care.
https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations
That last example actually gives lie to my own theory, since the relationship of the department to the issues of health and social care is presumably analogous to the relationship between the Department For Education and the issue of education itself.
It may simply be the case that "Department Of" is the older version, and over the years the departments have changed their name to the more supportive-sounding "Department For", and the Department Of Health And Social Care is simply the straggler in this process. As with any change, there may be people who resist the change, seeing it as pointless, and so maybe someone at the DOHSC resisted a proposed name change. Or it might just be an accident of history.
Looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_for_Education, it appears to have changed its name, and was the "Department of Education and Science" at one point, so I think my "slow migration from 'of' to 'for'" theory has some merit.
Answered by Max Williams on March 17, 2021
For = for the purpose of
OED
IV. Of purpose or destination.
8.a. With a view to; with the object or purpose of:
1849 T. B. Macaulay Hist. Eng. I. 615 A considerable number of prisoners were immediately selected for execution.
1887 ‘L. Carroll’ Game of Logic ii. §6. 50 I have been out for a walk.
Of = associated [in some way dictated by the context] with
OED
- Following a noun, as the head of a postmodifying noun phrase.Sometimes called the subjective genitive.
a. Expressing the relation of agent (doer or maker).
1609 Bp. W. Barlow Eagle & Body sig. C1 By the traditions of antiquity and the definitions of Councels.
1754 Bp. T. Sherlock Disc. (1755) I. viii. 247 The Evidence of the Spirit is not any secret Inspiration.
Answered by Greybeard on March 17, 2021
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