English Language Learners Asked by Mari-Lou A on September 27, 2020
We all know that the cardinal and ordinal numbers 4 and 4th are spelled ‘four’ and “fourth” respectively. Then we have 14 and 14th which are spelled “fourteen” and “fourteenth”. Yet the numbers 40 and 40th are spelled without the letter ‘u’, as in “forty” and “fortieth”.
It is said that Old English and Middle English spelling was phonetic but over time letters were either added or removed from words to resemble more closely their Latin origins; e.g., dette was replaced by ‘debt’ (L. debitum). And as customs in pronunciation changed so did the spelling, for instance ‘drink’ used to be drincan in Old English.
With that in mind, it’s not a surprise when the letter ‘u’ in fourty became silent, it was dropped.
Merriam-Webster says
The logical Middle English relic fourty, …, lasted until the 18th century, when for reasons unknown it fell out of use. Sometimes that’s just how it goes in English.
However, the same spelling change did not happen to “four” /fɔː/, and "fourteen" /fɔːˈtiːn/ or /ˈfɔːtiːn/, despite the ‘u’ being also silent.
Is there an explanation for this discrepancy? Why did the spelling change for “forty“ but not for numbers “four” and "fourteen”?
It's just yet another weird illogical piece of English spelling. No logic to it at all.
In Anglo Saxon we had 4=feower 40=feowerti. Here you can see the "w" that became reduced to "u" in the modern spelling of four and absent from forty. Perhaps this follows the Northumbrian dialect "feuortig" in which the u/w has switched places with the "o". Perhaps it was one publisher in the 17th century that standarised on forty and the 18th century dictionary writers followed that lead. It is probably just random.
Det ->debt is special case. Generally the spellings became fixed, but the pronucniations changed. It is easier to understand Middle English when spoken than when written (for me anyway).
Correct answer by James K on September 27, 2020
Two thoughts:
It seems therefore that the "horse"/"hoarse" distinction that some speakers observe may involve different pronunciations for the vowels in "four" and "forty". This is also implied by the discussion at https://wordagents.com/forty-or-fourty/ .
Answered by rjpond on September 27, 2020
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