Engineering Asked by ericnutsch on May 30, 2021
A simple thermostat will turn on at one temperature and off at a higher temperature. This keeps the thermostat from cycling on and off too quickly. The difference between these values is sometimes called dead band and sometimes called hysteresis. Both words apply to more complex processes like hydraulic valves and PID controllers, but what I am curious about is which one is better used to describe a simple thermostat.
What term(s) do you use in this context? Please cite sources if you can.
For some background, this question came up as a result of this Engineering SE question
Set point and trigger point are two terms that I am most familiar with respect to temperature controls. My experiences is limited to Thermotron and ESPEC environmental temperature chambers. I believe searching online resources section of both these organization's might lead to better focused definitions. Below is short list of terms defined in a Watlow controller.
In addition Watlow PID Controller user guide defines the following.
Below are excerpts from the user guide.
There is more interesting infomation with regard the on/off temperatures in the User Guide.
References:
Correct answer by Mahendra Gunawardena on May 30, 2021
I'd say "deadband" is the more end-user term, and "hysteresis" more of a engineering term. Engineers will understand deadband in this context, but Joe Sixpack or even a electrician installing a thermostat may not understand what "hysteresis" means.
I disagree that these words apply to more complex processes. What is going on in a simple thermostat is exactly hysteresis, which is fine to express as deadband to laymen.
You are overthinking this.
The more precise meaning of deadband is actually different from hysteresis. A deadband is a region where the system doesn't respond to changes. This does occur in hysteresis, but the general case does not require hysteresis.
For example, suppose you have a proportional temperature controller instead of on/off like what the thermostat is doing. Let's say it has a 1° deadband and the temperature is slowly rising from 65° to 70°. This will cause a decreasing control response. If the temperature now drops, the control response won't change until it gets to 69°, then will increase with decreasing temperature again.
Such a deadband is usually undesirable, so systems are specified not to exceed a particular deadband. This is common in mechanical systems due to the combination of looseness of fit and static friction. It is often called the "backlash" in gear systems. Electronic systems can have a deadband caused by two diode drops, for example.
So in summary, it is OK to call the difference between the two hysteresis thresholds a deadband, but not all deadbands are due to hysteresis. In common usage, this is rather a fine distinction and I wouldn't count on people realizing this. Usually what is meant by the deadband in a system is clear enough from context.
In a engineering setting, use "hysteresis" when it really is hysteresis. In a lay setting, use "deadband" and don't expect anyone to understand nuances of hysteresis versus some other cause of a deadband.
Answered by Olin Lathrop on May 30, 2021
The "dead band" is the range where nothing happens. <--updated for acccuracy thanks to Ericnutsch's comment A simple temperature control system shuts down in the dead band, as heating only activates at $T_{low}$ and stops at $T_{high}$, while the cooling portion should activate only at $T_{high} + x$ and deactivate at $T_{low}+y$ . There are two dead bands $T_{low}$ to $T_{low}+y$ and $T_{high} to $T_{high} + x$.
"Hysteresis" is the term applied to any system whose state is path-dependent. You can have a control system, or for that matter, a mechanical system in general without a dead band but with hysteresis. Here's a sample curve from tdk-lambda
Answered by Carl Witthoft on May 30, 2021
I think the Wikipedia Deadband article explains it fairly well.
Hysteresis Vs. Deadband
A deadband (sometimes called a neutral zone or dead zone) is an interval of a signal domain or band where no action occurs (the system is 'dead' - i.e. the output is zero) ...
Deadband is different from hysteresis. With hysteresis there is no dead zone, and so the output is always in one direction or another. Devices with hysteresis have memory, in that previous system states dictate future states. Examples of devices with hysteresis are single-mode thermostats and smoke alarms.
Examples of deadband I've come across:
Hysteresis examples:
Answered by Transistor on May 30, 2021
The difference between the cut in and cut out of a temperature or a pressure control is the 'differential'. Simple controls have set differentials. I would use 'hysteresis' where there is a loss of movement in a mechanical gear and/or lever train when the train reverses direction. This is sometimes termed the 'lash'.
Answered by Keith Hallam on May 30, 2021
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