Engineering Asked on August 7, 2021
If a water pipe is 15 mm diameter and the water pressure is 3 bar, assuming the pipe is open ended, is it possible to calculate the flow rate or water velocity in the pipe?
Most of the calculations I have found appear to need 2 of these: diameter, flow rate, velocity.
So more specifically can you calculate flow rate or velocity from water pressure and pipe diameter?
General case
The basic tools for this kind of questions would be Bernoulli's equation, in the case of water, for an incompressible fluid.
$frac{p}{rho} + gz + frac{c^2}{2} = const$
As you stated correctly you would at least need to know the velocity for one point. You can extend Bernoulli with pressure drop terms or combine it with the continuity equation and / or make a momentum balance depending the complexity of the problem. To be clear: I mentioned this tools because they are used for this kind of problem, they will not help you solve yours without you knowing more parameters.
Other possible prerequisites
$eta equiv text{efficiency}$
$N equiv text{power}$
Basically from what you currently stated, you cannot find out the velocity.
Getting an estimate anyway
You could assume that the pressure at the entry is constant and no flow occurs there. Neglecting friction losses and height differences you would get
$frac{p_{in}}{rho} + gz + frac{c_{in}^2}{2} = frac{p_{out}}{rho} + gz + frac{c_{out}^2}{2}$
$frac{p_{in}}{rho} = frac{p_{out}}{rho} + frac{c_{out}^2}{2}$
$sqrt{frac{2(p_{in}-p_{out})}{rho}} = c_{out} = 20 frac{mathrm{m}}{mathrm{s}}$
$dot{V} = cA = 10.60 frac{mathrm{L}}{mathrm{min}}$
$rho equiv 1000frac{mathrm{kg}}{mathrm{m}^3}$
$p_{out} equiv 1 mathrm{bar}$
$A equiv text{cross-sectional area of the pipe}$
This would do for a ballpark estimate. Alternatively you could get a bucket and measure how much water you can collect in a minute.
Answered by idkfa on August 7, 2021
Laminar Flow:
If the flow in the pipe is laminar, you can use the Poiseuille Equation to calculate the flow rate:
$$ Q=frac{pi D^4 Delta P}{128 mu Delta x} $$
Where $Q$ is the flow rate, $D$ is the pipe diameter, $Delta P$ is the pressure difference between the two ends of the pipe, $mu$ is dynamic viscosity, and $Delta x$ is the length of the pipe.
If your pipe is carrying water at room temperature, the viscosity will be $8.9times 10^{-4} , Pacdot s$. Assuming the pipe is $5, m$ long and that the $3 , bar$ pressure is the gauge pressure, the flow rate is
$$ Q = frac{pi (0.015)^4(3times 10^5,Pa)}{128(8.9times 10^{-4} , Pacdot s)(5,m)}=0.0084 frac{m^3}{s} = 8.4 frac{l}{s} $$
However, if we calculate the Reynolds number for this flow rate:
$$ V = frac{Q}{A} = frac{0.0084frac{m^3}{s}}{frac{pi}{4}(0.015m)^2} = 48frac{m}{s} $$ $$ Re = frac{rho D V}{mu} = frac{(1000frac{kg}{m^3})(0.015m)(48frac{m}{s})}{8.9times 10^{-4}, Pacdot s}= 8times 10^{5} $$
...we see that this flow is well into the turbulent regime, so unless your pipe is very long, this method is not appropriate.
Turbulent flow:
For turbulent flow, we can use Bernoulli's Equation with a friction term. Assuming the pipe is horizontal:
$$ frac{Delta P}{rho}+frac{V^2}{2}=mathcal{F} $$
where $mathcal{F}$ accounts for friction heating and is given in terms of an empirical friction factor, $f$:
$$ mathcal{F} = 4ffrac{Delta x}{D}frac{V^2}{2} $$
The friction factor, $f$, is correlated to Reynolds number and pipe surface roughness. If the pipe is smooth, like drawn copper, the friction factor will be about 0.003 in this case. I got that value from "Fluid Mechanics for Chemical Engineers" by de Nevers, table 6.2 and figure 6.10. I also assumed that the Reynolds number will be about $10^5$. Substituting the equation for friction heating into Bernoulli's Equation and solving for velocity:
$$ V=sqrt{frac{2 Delta P}{rho left( 4ffrac{Delta x}{D}+1 right)}} $$
If your pipe is some other material with a rougher surface, then this analysis will over-predict the flow rate. I'd suggest looking for tables of friction factors for your particular material if you need higher accuracy.
Answered by Carlton on August 7, 2021
In order to calculate the average velocity or the flow rate, you need to determine, whether the flow is laminar or turbulent, and also calculate the friction coefficient.
The pressure drop in a circular pipe is given by :
$$Delta P = lambda cdot frac{L cdotrho}{2 cdot D}bar{u}^2$$
where:
Obviously the parameters that are missing in this case are:
Given the above we can calculate the average flow velocity as :
$$bar{u}^2 lambda= Delta P cdot frac{2 cdot D}{L cdotrho} tag{eq.1}$$
For lambda again the determination of the mean flow velocity is crucial, and the calculation of the Reynolds number. Reynolds will be calculated in this case as:
$$ Re = frac{bar{u} D}{v} $$
where:
If Reynolds is:
less than 2300 (Re<2300) then the flow is laminar and lambda is calculated as $$lambda = frac{64}{Re}$$
more than 2300 (Re>2300) then the flow is turbulent and lambda is calculated by the colebrook equation (or the Darcy friction factor) as
$$frac{1}{sqrt{lambda}} =-2 lnleft(frac{2.51}{Re sqrt{lambda}} + 0.269cdot frac{k}{D} right)$$
where:
Notice that this equation can be solved iteratively. So you need to assume a value of lambda, e.g. $sqrt{lambda_{assumption}}=1$, then do the calculations on the right hand and arrive at a value for $sqrt{lambda_{calculated}}$, then make the calculated value your new assumption and repeat until the difference between the $sqrt{lambda_{assumption}} $ and $sqrt{lambda_{calculated}}$ is very small.
At this point you should have everything you need to calculate the pressure drop due to friction.
Steps to solve this:
Assume an initial value for $Re$. E.g. $Re_0 =2000$.
For the value you assumed, check whether the flow is laminar or turbulent. For the example $Re_i =2000$, the flow is laminar. If the flow is laminar then:
$$lambda = frac{64}{Re_i}$$
if the value is greater than 2300 then use the other equation.
Calculate an estimate value for $lambda$ (eg $lambda_i$).
Then you can go back to eq.1 and calculate an estimate for :
$$bar{u}_i = sqrt{frac{Delta P}{lambda_i} cdot frac{2 cdot D}{L cdotrho}}$$
$$ Re_{i+i} = frac{bar{u_i} D}{v}$$
Therefore the average velocity should be:
$$bar{u} <2300frac{v}{ D}$$
substituting that into
Answered by NMech on August 7, 2021
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