Constructed Languages Asked by Rory M. Tims on August 20, 2021
Don’t immediately dismiss this! Just give me a moment to explain and you might realize it’s an idea that might have merit, especially considering the question title is a little misleading. Also, I’m no conlang or linguistics expert, so if there’s a couple small things I got wrong but don’t necessarily make this impossible, especially if fixing it might make it possible, correct me in the comments and I’ll integrate it into my question to make the question something that can actually be answered.
Could you construct a language–or, at least, a grammar system–with only three words? OK, so first of all, “word” is not the proper term for what I’m trying to say, but I don’t know of a term that fits. So. When I say three words, I mean three combinations of consonants and vowels that morphemes can be derived from. From now on, though, I’m going to refer to them as “words”, just because it’s the only term that vaguely fits. Again, don’t dismiss me immediately. Let me explain my idea, and then please critique it.
The three base words would each have particular consonants and one particular vowel, in the structure 1v2v3 (where v represents the vowel, and the numbers represent the three consonants). For a silly example, let’s say the three words are:
Sazar: Fire (s, z, r; a)
Kitiv: Lie (k, t, v: i)
Lomon: Truth (l, m, n; o)
(If I were to actually construct this language, I would definitely use different base words, but let’s stick with these for the sake of example.)
There are thirteen distinct combinations of these letters to be derived from these words (1, 2, 3, v, 1v, 2v, v2, v3, 1v2, 2v3, v2v, 1v2v, v2v3), and that’s without rearranging the letters at all. If you allow for rearranging letters, there are thirty-one distinct combinations (if I did my math right). Including the original “word”, it’s thirty-two.
All these combinations templates can result in 96 different roots/suffixes/prefixes/morphemes/etc. If you somehow made each combination represent some kind of modifier that can be made to a root word, could you construct, if not a language, then at least a grammar system, this way?
For example, if we made v3 represent plurality (-iv=singular, -on=plural, -ar=dual) and v2 represent person (-it=first person, -om=third person, and -az=second person) then that could be the conjugation for the language, giving you:
I: -itiv
You: -aziv
He/She/It: -omiv
We: -iton (or -itar for special, dual cases)
You pl.: -azon (or -azar for special, dual cases)
They: -omon (or -omar for special, dual cases)
Then, -omiv could be extended using v1, which would represent gender (-as=neuter, -ik=female, -ol=male). Using this, the conjugation for he would be the way-too-long-for-conjugation “-omivol”.
You could make a modifier for roots that determine whether it’s a noun, verb, or adjective, and you could also have the three tenses (it’s fascinating how much language fits into groups of three) and make cases using combinations of the vowels and consonants, and you would have to stretch some things for prepositions, but maybe instead of having prepositions be words, you could make this an entirely written language and use visuals to convey prepositions (essentially making sentence order influence the physical positions of the objects the words refer to, instead of the grammatical meaning of the words).
I would probably need to create a couple (or many) other roots that the modifiers would be added to (or at least start with more flexible words than fire, lie, and truth), but could I at least base the grammar system off of only the three original words and modifiers derived from those three words?
I don’t see any obvious issues with this language, besides long words, but I would appreciate it if more experienced conlangers could critique this. Also, if there are no issues with a conlang with only the grammar based on the three base “words”, what about an entire language, where you could only build basic words by combining roots based on the three base words? This would limit the number of morphemes you could use for grammar, which might be an issue if there are a certain grammatical components every language needs and there aren’t enough morphemes for all the components.
Your terminology is a little strange, but it sounds like your suggesting something like the tri-consonantal roots of Arabic. For example, د ر س represent the idea of acquiring or giving knowledge. يدرس = to Study; يدرّس = to Teach. The only difference between these and the root is the adding of ي (an infinitive marker) to the start of the word and a ّ to 'to Teach' (which acts as doubling the ر). Vowels and subvowels go between the letters to change the meaning of the words.
Is that similar to what you're talking about or am I off the mark?
Answered by Curtis Sheppard on August 20, 2021
From an information theory point of view, you can express anything if you have at least two signs: computers do this through the use of binary, where the signal is either "on" or "off", or "1" or "0". If you have a "message" with just one bit of information, you can express two meanings, which are "on" or "off". If you want to express more complex ideas, you need a longer message. For example, if you want to express the decimal numbers from 0 to 15 in binary, you need at least four bits to represent them.
We as people have created a system where we know beforehand what the bits mean when we send and receive them. So if we send a message consisting of four binary digits, e.g. "0010", then we know that that means the number "2", because that's the convention we've agreed upon.
So you could certainly expand this principle by using three signs instead of two, and use conventions and codes to create meanings. The snag is that the complexity of the message would increase massively. For example, if I want to write the word "message" in English, I only need a total of seven symbols, and each symbol can be one of 26 signs (the English alphabet.) If I want to write the word "message" in binary, however, it will look like this:
0110110101100101011100110111001101110011011000010110011101100101
Which is a considerably longer message, because I only have two signs to work with, not 26.
The other disadvantage is: you need a convention or a "code" which both the sender of the message (the speaker) and the receiver (the listener) to be understood before a message can be transmitted. If you saw the above binary sequence out of context, you would have no way of knowing it meant "message", because I haven't told you that it represents a sequence of ASCII characters. It could just be meaningless computer code, or a very large number, or part of a recipe for a salmon bake.
So you could theoretically create a language with three "signs" and combine them to make meanings. For example, if your words were "ka", "pi" and "ol", then you could have the following sequences:
kapi = woman
kapiol = man
olka = cat
olpipika = dog
And so on. But you would have two problems with such a language:
The complexity of each resulting "word" would vastly increase as you make the message longer, and
There's no obvious relation between your signs and your word, so you would have to make your messages understood by pre-existing codes, agreed between the speaker and listener.
Answered by Lou on August 20, 2021
I haven't (and won't) check your math, but you have defined a grand total of 96... I'll call them blocks. I'll take the position that a block represents a sufficiently new type of language element that it doesn't have an existing name already. Maybe they're a special case of morpheme or of something else, I don't really care. They're blocks, and there are 96 of them.
You allow for 96^2 and 96^3 combos, which is nearly 900,000 blocks or polyblocks. That's plenty of room to define a language. That's bigger than many lexicons, and you can certainly spare a large subset for grammatical functions. Chinese for example is said to have 50,000 characters --- yes those are graphemes and there's apples and oranges here, but you take the point.
Imagine a person who only speaks and writes Chinese and has no awareness that other languages even exist. One day they are told, you can write everything in a language using 26 letters and some punctuation and so forth, you can get away with old-school ASCII with a maximum of 256 graphemes! He'd think you're talking doo-doo kaka.
You could probably do it with a great deal less.
Answered by Just Some Guy on August 20, 2021
After seeing a lot of different things thrown out there, I've decided to take a shot at this one. I think what you are suggesting is totally possible and plausible. The confusion of answers arises from that fact that a "word" can be defined in a couple different ways.
One reputable definition which allows for your proposed linguistic system is found in the Collins Dictionary:
A word is a single unit of language that can be represented in writing or speech. In English, a word has a space on either side of it when it is written.
By that definition, you have designed three possible "units" which can be assigned the title "words" legitimately, and your language system works.
On the other hand, you have other possible definitions, such as that found in Meriam Webster:
A speech sound or series of speech sounds that symbolizes and communicates a meaning usually without being divisible into smaller units capable of independent use
If you opt for that definition (which some people do by default), it's a bit harder to stretch "word" to define what you're talking about. One of your proposed "words" communicates no inherent meaning, and is necessarily divisible into smaller units. Of course, it's a bit ambiguous, and one could argue that this definition of "word" obfuscates the nature of compound nouns etc.
In short, I would answer, "It depends." If you define a word simply as a unit of speech separated by spaces, you're all set. Other linguists might argue however that you ought to define the different "words" as different classes of words, with the organization of the letters defining words. And since you're inventing the language, I guess you can set the rules. ☺
Answered by rotaredom on August 20, 2021
If you really mean "morphemes" or "phonemes", then yes, of course you could design your language this way. One straightforward example is the Morse code, composed of three symbols - dot, dash, pause. If you e.g. represent the dot and dash vocally as two different sounds (different duration, different pitch or whatever, or even the traditional dit and dah), you can plausibly claim your language has only two phonemes (Though I would call it only a code of the main language it is used to encode, since it lacks its own grammar and vocabulary. But then, there are Q-codes, so nothing is absolute.).
If you want to use three syllables, it would be even easier - after all, Solresol manages with just seven, and Marr's theory claims all (European?) the languages originate from just four syllables (but that is very much a pseudoscience, most famously debunked by no one else than J. Stalin)
Answered by Radovan Garabík on August 20, 2021
If this is a language, then it should be possible to express more than just three words. You would need to be able to say, for instance, "the dog bites the cat." Imagine that we derive dog from sazar, bite from kitiv, and cat from lomon by reversing the consonants. Using only the grammatical information from your post and making some assumptions about syntax, we could form this sentence as razas vitikomivik nomol.
Is this possible? If so, then this is a working language. However, once we define razas to mean "dog," then we already have more than three words. Razas isn't an inflected or declined form of sazar; it's a new word formed by derivation. Even meanings related to the original word are a form of derivation (so making razas mean "fire-creature" and using it for all animals still won't help). Once you create new words by derivation, the language has more than three words. In the language you described, every word is originally derived from three roots or base-words.
As you describe it, the language is entirely possible. There's an infinite number of morphemes in the three roots, if you allow for very long words and a lot of repetition. You have 96 syllables, so to use your possible syllables most efficiently, the 96 most common morphemes/words could have a syllable structure like az or iv, your 962 next most common morphemes like azaz or aziv, and your 963 next most common like azazaz or azivaz, etc. But your vocabulary has to be limited to make sure that your longer morphemes (e.g. aziv) not be confused with combinations of shorter ones (e.g. az + iv) allowed for by your agglutinative morphology when they're not intended to be the same morpheme.
Answered by b a on August 20, 2021
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