Biology Asked on August 16, 2020
I know death and cancer doesn’t hurt humans’ reproductive success. It’s not helping either.
Why do we die? Why dying humans (all of us) are common? What’s the point of dying?
Death is not only for humans. All 'complicated enough' organisms die (with a notable exception of Hydra, though you may argue when it comes to the complexity). It is is easier to create a new organism from scratch than to repair both internal factors (free radicals, metabolic by-products, ...) and external (physical damage, exposure to toxins, ...).
Underlying causes of death actually can be evolutionary beneficial. For example, shortening of telomeres offers protection against cancer (on a cellular level), but also bounds lifespan.
So actually they may be evolutionary competition (within the same species) of young and old. Mutations helping young but harming older may be preferred to the opposite ones.
Correct answer by Piotr Migdal on August 16, 2020
Who is to say that having living Humans isn't hurting our reproductive success? Older non-reproducing humans cost the human network valuable resources and take up a sizeable portion of our living niche. Metabolically unstreamlined aged organisms are certainly not the most efficient and could potentially get in the way of better suited young'uns.
Answered by bobthejoe on August 16, 2020
From a systemic point of view, if we wish to evolutionarily induce our descendants (descendants of the current human race on the whole) to live longer lives, we would need to pro-create later.
If the whole of human race enforced a statute that prohibits pro-creation before the age of 40, then two pronged dynamics would happen
Since, there is a high tendency of abnormality and low survival of off-springs born to parents of older ages, absence of resource contention and genetic dynamics would encourage the initial propagation of the rare few fit off-springs.
Hence, unnatural "natural selection" would encourage the propagation of humans of longer life-spans. Perhaps, a natural disaster or viral outbreak could discourage humans from pro-creating before age 40. Perhaps, high rates of abortion. So long as the human race does not die out due to such restrictions. Perhaps, to the satisfaction of conspiracy lovers, a secretive organisation carries out a plan every 100K years to raise the bar for child-bearing age.
Therefore, it might be less of a question of advantage and more of the effects of motivation. That current status where
Therefore, since no such secret organisation exists, there is infinitesimally little motivation for the existence of a "super-virus" type of humans to exist.
There is no motivation for super-humans to exist, because the distribution of life-spans have crowded out the food and survival resources of any possible primeval super-human.
Answered by Blessed Geek on August 16, 2020
There is no evolutionary advantage to dying.
So you question should be rephrased as to why organism die at all? Why hasn't evolution come up with an immortal animal that lives forever?
Well nature has actually done that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turritopsis_dohrnii Behold the immortal jellyfish.
So if we do have immortal jellyfish.. why aren't there immortal mice?
A possible answer is because mice get eaten by cats (and wolves, foxes, owls, toads, humans, etc) The idea goes like this... there is no point having genes that makes you immortal if the probability of you being eaten within 1 year approaches 100%. In fact, in such a situation, you would want genes that will allow you to have as many babies as possible before that one year is up, even if those genes result in your death (ie cancer from cells that are growing too fast in that rush to be an adult, heart problem, muscle degeneration, poor immune system.. because the body has redirected all energy from repair to reproduction). Such a trade off is worth while, as you aren't going to be alive long enough to see the downside of those bad genes.
So if this idea is correct... if an animal has fewer predators (or none at all), the animal would live longer. And yes, we actually do see such examples.
A famous example are the Opossums of Sapelo Island. The Possums were isolated on a predator free island 9000 years ago and now live 25%-50% longer than their mainland cousins. The difference is hereditary.
Another possible example is that between bats and mice. Both are small animals of similar weight. And in general the smaller the animal, the faster it breeds and the shorter its life span. Bats are a noted exception from this the rule. Bats live a very long life span or their mass. Lifespan in the wild rangers from 10 years to 40 years depending on species. Compare that to 1 year for a mouse. The difference? Not metabolism... Not mass.. Not climate. But predators. Mice have many predators. Bats very few.
Answered by JayCkat on August 16, 2020
The evolutionary explanation is quite simple. Without death, evolution couldn't take place in the first place at all.
Who knows that jellyfish are immortal? Did they continuously evolve from one cell (without reproduction)? I don't think so. Who knows if today present jellyfish were already alive 1000 000 years ago (i.e. without parents)? I think this is the case for any living creature.
That's why telomeres get shorter and shorter when growing older. In the case of cancer, these telomeres stay the same with each division of the parent cell, so it grows wildly. Which all species would probably do so too.
Answered by descheleschilder on August 16, 2020
At some point, it's cheaper to create a new machine than fix the accumulated damage in an old one.
Maybe a similar economistic explanation could be elaborate for living systems. Death and reborn is cheaper than persist in the maintainment of one organism.
Answered by heracho on August 16, 2020
One key concept to bear in mind is "mutational load". Over time, individuals accumulate mutations - for example, older fathers pass on more mutations than younger ones. Undesirable mutations need to be removed by natural selection each generation at at least the same rate as they accumulate, or a "mutational meltdown" occurs. The length of time between generations needs to be set so that the number of mutations purged by deaths is equal to the number that are introduced by mutation. Here is a rather interesting study providing some evidence for this point of view.
Note that infertility is "lethal" in genetic terms, so this concept in and of itself does not explain why a woman who passes menopause needs to die at any age. It seems easy to add further speculation here, so I'll leave that to the reader.
Answered by Mike Serfas on August 16, 2020
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