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What groupsets are compatible with my bike?

Bicycles Asked on June 1, 2021

Question

Speaking generally, what things do you need to check about your bike (e.g. rear hub width and type, braze-on vs clamp on front derailleur attachment points, etc) in order to determine what groupsets are compatible with it?

Background/ specific example

I have a 2010 Specialized Tricross. It came stock with a 3×9 Shimano groupset with Tiagra shifters & front derailleur, and Deore rear derailleur. It’s got about 10,000km on it now, all original parts (yes, I should have replaced the chain and casette long ago but that’s a discussion I’ve already had elsewhere).

I am interested in upgrading the whole groupset, and am leaning towards Shimano 105, 10 or 11 spd. It feels like anything more than that is overkill for this bike. However, I’m not clear if I can just buy one of those groupsets and expect everything to play nice with my frame or are there a bunch of measurements I need to check against first. The only thing I can think of is crank length which I would match to the existing ones.

I’m hoping any answers are generic enough to apply to others in the same situation, but feel free to use my Tricross situation for examples 🙂

Thanks.

4 Answers

Check:

  • Front Derailleur attachment type: Braze-on or clamp
  • Bottom Bracket type: 68mm, BB30, etc
  • Freehub compatibility (does it work with 11-speed?)

General Notes: The freehub and bottom bracket definitely come into play if you're trying to move from Shimano or SRAM to Campagnolo (or the reverse). Aside from that, it's mainly an issue of if it works for 11sp (in the freehub's case) or does that company make a crankset in the correct BB spec (for the bottom bracket).

Specific to the 2010 Tricross: You should be able to get either a 10- or 11-speed Shimano 105 groupset for this bike and have it work fine, provided you:

  • Buy a crankset with a 68mm threaded bottom bracket (ie. not BB30, BB90, etc)
  • Buy a clamp-style front derailleur (if you even decide to swap front derailleurs...)
  • If going to 11-speed, ensure your wheelset's freehub is compatible with 11-speed

Correct answer by Altom on June 1, 2021

There are a lot of things to check when doing a swap of your groupset. Some things off the top of my head:

  • Hub/Freewheel compatibility: Since you are increasing the cassette size, you may have to get a different hub and/or freewheel. If the freewheel needs to be changed out, the new one may end up being a wider dimension, which will require a new hub that will keep the overall dimension of the hub/freewheel the same. On mountain bikes, you may also have to contend with different axle designs as well. i.e. through-axle vs. quick-release and different dimensions between chain stays.
  • Alignment of the chain-rings with the cassette: If you are changing the number of chain-rings or changing the spacing significantly, you will need to check that the spacing between the frame and rings is adjusted with shims on the bottom bracket or a new bottom bracket design entirely. If you have braze-on derailleur hangers, this is critical. If they are clamp derailleur hangers, there is some adjustment available.
  • Bottom bracket: Most groups sets include the bottom bracket. You will need to check that the frame diameter and fitment style (press-in vs. thread-in) will match the new bottom bracket
  • Shifters: Since brake levers and shifters are typically integrated on a road bike, you will need to replace them to accommodate the new indexing on the rear cassette and/or front chain-rings. Make sure that the new brake levers are compatible with your existing brake calipers. Should be pretty standard on road bikes, but mountain bikes and hybrids require some more investigation when using integrated shifters.

Overall, you have a much better chance of getting a compatible upgrade if you stick with the same brand and similar technology (cable operated brakes vs. hydraulic for example)

Note: As OP suggested, this answer was as generic as I could make it to fit other bike types/styles.

Answered by Scott Lundberg on June 1, 2021

The 2010 Tricross Sport needs the following standards met to have a compatible group set.

  1. 68mm BSA (British Standard) threaded bottom bracket.
  2. 34.9mm top clamp, bottom pull front derailleur

Any SRAM or SHIMANO Road or Cyclocross group set will work if it meets these standards.

If you choose an 11 speed group, you will need new wheels, since yours are maxed out with a 10 speed cassette.

There is no freehub upgrade kit option, as some other wheels have.

You can get a set of SHIMANO WH-5800 11 speed 105 wheels for about $150-200.

For your purposes, the 11 speed 105 will be a good choice of groupset.

I hope that helps.

Answered by zenbike on June 1, 2021

I am interested in upgrading the whole groupset

Why?

If there's some mechanical issue, you need to fix it. Most likely, the appropriate fix is to replace a faulty component with a new compatible component, or perhaps even simpler: an adjustment to your current parts. No "groupset upgrade".

Based on your statement, it seems bicycle component manufacturers have converted you into what is called groupset religion.

Groupset religion = the belief that a component belonging to a particular groupset is compatible only with other components from the very same groupset.

If there's no mechanical issue, just ride your current bike. If you are employed, for the price of a new groupset, you can probably negotiate extra unpaid vacation during good weather and have more time to ride your current bike.

Don't throw away perfectly good parts just because there is a more expensive supposedly "better" part available.

Your 9-speed parts are not obsolete. I have on my touring bike 8-speed parts currently. Cassettes and chains are available even for my 8-speed system, and probably more readily available for your 9-speed system.

If you absolutely must upgrade something and have money to burn, buy some low rolling resistance high performance slick tires. They have much more impact on the performance of your bike.

Answered by juhist on June 1, 2021

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