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Riese Muller with Bosch performance CX not engaging immediately

Bicycles Asked on February 5, 2021

since the firmware in my ebike engine Bosch performance CX gen 4 has been updated, I am noticing a strange beahviour, that is, when pedalling, the engine (or the rear wheel pawns) will not engage immediately.
Similar to this. Sort of a gap before the engine kicks in. The issue will show in a very perceivable manner when riding:

  1. When the bike is moving already, you stop pedalling
  2. The bike keeps moving
  3. You start pedalling again – this is when the defect is perceivable

Now, I am not sure 100% if this was happening before, as the firmware update, which added more torque, might enhance a beahviour which wasn’t initially perceivable with less torque.

So I went to an authorised Bosch service support, and they got in contact with Bosch in Germany, who asked them to make some tests, but from their point of view there’s no issue on the engine.
The man at the service thinks that the issue could be due to either:

  • A different freewheel pawls number in the rear freehub and the engine ones
  • A low freewheel pawls number (31) in the rear freehub. As for this, the man said that freewheel pawls in professional grade freehubs can go up to 400, ensuring the "grip" is immediate without any gap when you begin pedalling.

I really don’t understand why this "gap" was not noticeable before the engine firmware upgrade, but I am quite unhappy as for this feeling…

The chain has been replaced two weeks ago after 1400Km, and it’s difficult to say id this defect happens when the engine is off. The bike shift is a derailleur.

3 Answers

Since your bike has a derailleur and you recently changed the chain, I am guessing that the cassette is worn out as well, especially in some gears (it may be the case if you often keep the lower gears because the motor bail you out of steep hill & co, when you pedal at a much lower cadence, too slow if you did not have a motor, but you can keep going because the motor is there to support you).

I read what you describe as the chain not engaging immediately on (some worn-out teeth of) the cassette, probably because of the additional torque released by the motor post-firmware. So teh chain slips and to you it feels like the motor did not engage. However, this is a mechanical issue of the cassette, not of the motor, teh motor feels the chain gliding smoothly so it does not apply any torque ... but the issue is the chain not hanging on the rear gears.

It is a well known musical phenomena of bikes without motor: you stop, you get ready to start, you prepare your strong side to have the pedal in the upper position, you push hard with that leg, suddenly the chain slips, the pedal rotates quickly, the foot belonging to the strong leg lowers suddenly and your crotch hits the top tube, music and religious invocations start filling the air.

In short: you should go to the bike shop that changed the chain and ask why they didn't check the rear cassette.

Answered by EarlGrey on February 5, 2021

It’s definitely just your freehub’s slow engagement. The old firmware might have had a smoother introduction of motor power at the expense of responsiveness. The new one might be snappier, which means you’ll feel the dead space more. This problem will manifest itself more in the lower gears because you have to pedal more to rotate the rear wheel the same amount.

Edit: Thanks to Affe, I’ve learned that I got it backwards. The new update is in fact more gradual, so I presume there’s more of a delay before the motor fully kicks in. Your legs will be the primary power source until then, so you’ll feel the freehub delay more clearly.

Depending on what rear hub you have, you may or may not be able to add more pawls for a faster engagement. If your hub is incompatible, you’ll need a fancier one.

Answered by MaplePanda on February 5, 2021

The 2020 Bosch performance CX firmware update does change the algorithms for adaptive support in addition to increasing low-cadence torque. It intentionally 'ramps up' the amount of assist more slowly than it did before when starting out/pedal pressure is low to get a more natural "bike that helps you" and less "pushy" feel.

Answered by Affe on February 5, 2021

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