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Rear wheel won't stay in position

Bicycles Asked on July 19, 2021

I’m a bit at my wits’ end (not that I know that much about bikes).
I used an old Gazelle Formula Randonneur frame and switched out most of the parts.
However, after some time of (rather light) driving, the wheel always comes lose and starts jamming.

Either the wheel isn’t centered anymore and rubs on the frame where you can see "FORMULA RANDONNEUR" written.

wheel rubs on frame

Or it rubs b/w the cassette and the frame:

friction b/w cassette and frame

The only way I can prevent the wheels hinge from being too loose, is to tightening it down so hard that the wheel won’t move 🙂

I went to a bike shop near but they only told me to simply readjust the wheel.
While I am able to do that, I don’t want to do it on a weekly basis or in the middle of the night.
As far as they were concerned "this wasn’t broken" — but this can’t be the solution to the problem, I hope.

I also found
Rear wheel won't move or keeps falling off
but I don’t know how well this translates from a disk brake bike to mine.

Do you have any suggestions?

Some more pictures

non-cassette dropout
cassette dropout
QR skewer

5 Answers

It's some combination of:

  • QR springs not pointing the right direction. Try removing them completely while working on this, which can also help with the next thing.
  • Relatively thin steel dropouts not playing nice with this combination of QR skewer and axle ends. If the axle ends are poking through the dropouts and touching the QR nut or cam, or doing so as the whole thing presses together, it won't clamp right. This can happen sometimes putting new hubs and QRs on old steel frames. Solve by using a more traditional kind of QR, i.e. a steel internal cam one, and measuring to corrobrate you are well away from this being able to happen. Taking away the springs completely can sometimes be the quick fix to this problem.
  • Cam surfaces on the QR need lubrication. Put a drop of oil on the barrel that the lever pivots around.
  • The QR has some worn parts not seen in the photo, like the plastic bushing part.
  • You're undertightening the QR. Lubrication can help with this, or not, since external cam QRs are basically bad.
  • If your dropout alignment is wrong, for example by way of putting a 130 or 135 wheel in a narrower rear end, the QR is now needing to flex the dropouts back into being parallel before clamping happens. This can cause or add to the problem.
  • You've got horizontal dropouts and the external cam QR isn't providing enough holding force.

Answered by Nathan Knutson on July 19, 2021

The only way I can prevent the wheel from getting lose is to tightening it down so hard that the wheel won't move :)

Sounds to me like you have to adjust the bearing play (assuming the rear hub allows you to adjust bearing play). The quick release axle compresses the hub which slightly tightens the bearings. This means the hub should have some play when the QR is open. When the QR is closed the wheel should still spin freely but have no play. It can be tricky to get right.

Answered by Michael on July 19, 2021

Check the serrated underside of the acorn nuts; the two surfaces on the QR that press on the outside of the frame.

I've seen one where the ridges were smoothed off and didn't bite into the frame, so a good push on the pedal could drag the drive-side forward and make the rear wheel bind on the left chainstay.

The first fix would have been a replacement skewer nut, but the cheaper solution was to use a small triangular hand file to deepen the grooves on the acorn nut. Doing it by hand took a while, but the sharp 60 degree corner made for some good ridges. The wheel has stayed in place properly for years now.

Answered by Criggie on July 19, 2021

Looking at the position of your axle in the dropout, I think another link or two in the chain will help. It will move the axle so the QR can get a good grip. The other answers are good too.

Answered by Terry Hutt on July 19, 2021

Rubbing on the cassette side shouldn't ever happen. Looking at the second picture it seems the locknut isn't sticking out far enough to touch the frame before the cassette does. When you take off the wheel and QR skewer, the locknut is the outermost nut with radial notches that touches your frame. This could have gone wrong when the axle was set up on the (assuming it's new) wheel.

This can be fixed by putting a larger spacer between the bearing cone and the locknut on the cassette side. That may make your wheel off-center within the frame, but I expect it already is off-center to the right. Adding a spacer on the right cone and removing a similar space from the left will move the wheel toward the left without changing the space between the dropouts and the locknuts. It's tricky to get the spacing on axles right, but with trial and error (and a variety of spacer sizes) you can see where the problems are and fix them. You'll need the right size cone wrench for the cones and locknuts. Lay down a towel to catch the bearings when you take apart an axle. If you see sparkles in the grease, your bearings are doomed and should be replaced. Park Tools has a decent tutorial about hub overhaul with pictures that explain better than I can.

Answered by Rich Moss on July 19, 2021

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