Bicycles Asked on May 2, 2021
One of my destinations in the city has a peculiar access route – I need to descend a very narrow set of steps, a staircase, which has barely enough space to let two pedestrians pass.
I’d estimate its width as 150 cm. It’s not as steep as staircases which we use to access higher floors in buildings – its inclination angle is maybe 50%. It’s an outdoor set of steps, which connects two streets.
An alternative route exists, but it is longer and is less fun for me.
I have never tried descending there with my MTB, because if a pedestrian tries to ascend the staircase while I am going down, he will probably get scared.
Trying to think from the pedestrian’s perspective:
The guy on the MTB doesn’t look he is going to stop, and there is absolutely not enough space for him to pass by! So the only way to prevent a crash is to [do something desperate and stupid]!
Objectively, this is nonsense, because I have no problem stopping, and legally and ethically I am obliged to do so. But subjectively, the situation can be very intimidating. I guess that shouting something like "Don’t worry, I’ll let you pass" will only make it worse.
I've had to commute routes where I need to use a narrow staircase to go up and down a pedestrian bridge over a highway.
For starters, any place where you have to share narrow space with pedestrian, the polite way to do so is to dismount.
I shoulder the bike or walk it. The bike always goes to the far side ( If there is a fence or wall, the bike goes towards that fence or wall or guard rail. ) so there is less chance to hit another person with a protruding pedal or handlebar.
While going down stairs, I sometimes roll the bike on its rear wheel, holding the handlebar up and using the brake to control it. That way my combined bike+rider width is minimal and that will let another pedestrian pass, even if they are also carrying a bulky load.
Consider that even if you believe to have good control over the bike, there might be something out of your sight that may cause you to temporarily lose control or may need you to perform an unexpected maneuver (e.g. a piece of garbage you ride over and it makes you lose traction). If that happens at the wrong time, you may hit another staircase user. Better to play it safe and dismount.
I've ridden in a city where there are shared bridges (pedestrian/alternative transport) but it is mandatory to get off your bike, skateboard, or whatever you are riding. You mount again on the other side where there is a wider and dedicated cycle path and a walking lane.
Answered by Jahaziel on May 2, 2021
Frankly if you're going up/down steps, you're in the pedestrian's space and not somewhere suitable for cycling.
You know how sometimes vehicle traffic intrudes on our cycle lanes? Parking inconsiderately, putting cyclists at risk?
That's what you'd be doing to the pedestrians by riding in their space. Don't be that-guy.
Your solutions are to either walk the bike (to become a pedestrian with a load, travelling at walking speed) or to find a cycle-safe route that gets you to your destination.
I would not ride in pedestrian areas - that may not even be legal depending on where in the world it is.
Answered by Criggie on May 2, 2021
Yes, you can prevent this situation. Don't go down the stairs on your bicycle (and most likely not even carrying it, if it is so narrow).
It's not possible that there are only two ways to get to your destination, unless you live on the very top of a hill. You are presenting us two options:
I guess you are simply comparing the two shortest path, one fully legal and one which is short and allowing access to some fun section after (or just before) the stairs you mention. Think out of the box: let's assume path A is boring and it takes 25 minutes to complete it, while path B is fun and it takes 35 minutes to complete (walking the bicycle down the stairs, 33 minutes if you pedal down the stairs). I cannot believe that you cannot find a path C that would take you to the destination in 40 minutes, being fun and legal/acceptable.
Answered by EarlGrey on May 2, 2021
I see three answers saying "Just don't do that" with variations. They may be right. Nevertheless, I would like to suggest another answer.
Seeing a bike coming towards you at full speed is indeed scary. You should try to avoid scaring people.
If you slow down to walking speed, the scare goes away. By going slow, you both indicate that you are in control, and also the consequences of a collision would be much less.
If you can see for a fair distance, slow down well in advance of meeting pedestrians. If you can not see well, just assume there are pedestrians and slow down anyway. In fact, assume that small children are playing there and deliberately trying to hide from you.
If the staircase is really narrow, you might want to stop entirely and let them walk past you. You can squeeze closer to the railing that way.
... or find another path.
Answered by Stig Hemmer on May 2, 2021
because I have no problem stopping
Objectively, this is nonsense. At best, you can stop before you start going down the steps. Once you start going down steps on a bike though, you are completely unable to stop before you reach the bottom, and you have very limited control over your speed whilst you're doing it. And that's assuming you stay on your wheels. If you catch a bar on the wall, skid on a damp surface, or simply lose your balance, you're going to wipe out directly into whoever's underneath you.
Anyone going down this on a bike would be a perfect example of why so many pedestrians think of cyclists as arrogant, selfish, dangerous idiots - because this would be arrogant, selfish, dangerous and idiotic. You prevent this situation from happening by not doing it.
Always remember the golden rule of doing tricks. Hurt yourself trying it, you're a hero. Hurt someone else trying it, you're doggie doo-doo (censored :). If you want to have "fun" going down steps like this, station a buddy at the bottom to let you know when the stairs and approaching paths are clear. Then do your stunt and move on.
Answered by Graham on May 2, 2021
Its highly advisable that you do not ride your bike down a narrow staircase where pedestrians are present. People will get very mad with you, and it very likely could be against the law/city ordinance. Additionally, you could be destroying or damaging the stairs by doing this. Either walk your bike down, or find an alternative route. Hope this helps you make the right decision!
Answered by MS1 on May 2, 2021
Being myself somebody who rides down various stairsets pretty much daily, I obviously disagree with the answers stating that this should categorically not be done.
However I do agree that it's a no-no to ride down a narrow stairset when there's someone below you, or might appear below you. I.e., I only start descending if I can oversee the landing, and know for sure I'll reach the bottom before anybody else can reach the stairs.
Could I slow down or stop on the stairs, if somebody appears out of thin air? Probably / it depends – on stairs that aren't super steep this is indeed perfectly possible. But it's not reliably possible: a slight imbalance, slippy surface, unexpected brake response, and you can quickly find yourself going much faster than intended. Now, it's one thing if this leads to a crash involving only yourself and a wall. It's an entirely different thing if this leads to a crash involving somebody else.
A bit of a corner case is if it's a stairset consisting of multiple flights in a row. I suspect this is in fact the situation you're talking about. In such a case, if the flights are separated by at least 4 meters of flat ground, I'd say it is safe that you can stop there even in adverse conditions (in the worst case, by crashing), yet somebody coming up the next lower flight could very well be scared by the prospect that you might not stop but just thunder down the entire thing.
In this case, my advice is: stop immediately when you see someone, and either wait to let them pass and then continue the fun, or else switch to carrying/pushing the bike the rest of the distance as per Jahziel's answer.
Answered by leftaroundabout on May 2, 2021
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