Bicycles Asked by olee22 on January 14, 2021
[Removed extra questions to be clear.]
So far I preferred aluminium vs. steel for many reasons, but if steel lasts significantly longer, for my next touring bike I will go for steel.
My Cannondale Badboy 2004 has a crack in the alu-frame. I was surprised by this, I thought my bike will last 20+ years easily. The workshop they said this is a high quality, strong frame, but after 10 years alu frames can get tired. Especially if I use my bike both in winter and summer, as the heat change wear alu faster. They say it can be welded, which will cost significantly less vs. a new frame (if it is available), but I should be prepared for other cracks to appear. The workshop contracts a welder specialized in bike frame welding and repair.
I also found a scientific research article on this topic. If someone has access to ScienceDirect (Cicero et al. (2011): Analysis of the cracking causes in an aluminium alloy bike frame), I’d be interested in the conclusions.
I’m interested in touring bikes, not road bikes, city bikes, etc.
I’m happy to update/clarify my question if needed, make a comment.
Crack in the alu frame near the rear axe (the bike is upside down):
There are a lot of question so I will settle on the one in the title.
How many years will an current aluminum frame last of a touring bike?
Depends:
Aluminum has not changed in the 10 years
All we know is your last aluminum, high quality, strong frame bike lasted about 10 years
The best guess is your next aluminum, high quality, strong frame will also last 10 years
Really that is the best guess
That is as vague as how long will a current pair of sneakers last me?
And the best guess for how long my next pair of sneakers will last is how long did my last pair last.
Aluminum fatigues and steel does not fatigue. As stated in a comment steel does fatigue - well not always. Mild steel will not normally admit fatigue crack growth if the applied stresses are below about 10% of the strength of the material. Materials, such as aluminium alloys, do not have any such fatigue limit. If a cyclic load is applied, aluminium alloys will always fatigue. For the same strength a steel bike is typically going to be heavier than aluminum. But you get a bike that is much much less susceptible to fatigue. With steel you also get a bike that will take a ding (dent) and not compromise structural strength to the extent of aluminum. Not exactly the same thing but at the molecular level they are related. Frame Materials
Found a quoted number. Just because it was on the Internet does not make it right but here is a 5-10 year quote.
Bike Frame: Aluminum Vs. Steel
Aluminum frames possess the shortest fatigue life of any material used to manufacture bicycle frames. The typical aluminum frame possesses a life expectancy of five to 10 years. The fatigue life of steel is much longer, but the material requires more maintenance. To prevent rust formation steel frames must be cleaned and polished regularly and periodically coated with rust stop on the interior of the frame.
If you are discounting steel because it will rust then you are not caring for the bike properly. A properly maintained and stored steel bike should not rust. And for sure it should not rust out in your life time. You stated bikes from you fathers era lasted 40-50 years - pretty sure they were steel bikes.
If you want fatigue free and rust free then get titanium.
Correct answer by paparazzo on January 14, 2021
I researched more on this topic.
The short answer is that an aluminium frame can last from a couple of years to 50 years/lifetime.
The long answer is:
Main factors in aluminium frame fatigue:
Recommendations to extend the life of the aluminium frame:
A practical consequence for me that a second hand aluminium frame bike is risky, needs careful inspection of the frame for signs, and information how much the bike was used, how it was kept.
Some more interesting resources:
Answered by olee22 on January 14, 2021
I worked with someone who was a bike designer at cannondale a few years ago. He had told me the frames were designed to be cycle loaded 1,000,000 times before failure. So that means the frame could be loaded to the full design stress one million times before failure.
Also welding a cracked frame is a VERY bad idea. The aluminum is heat treated. Welding it removes the heat treat and severely reduces the strength of the material. For 7005 aluminum that means going from 41,000psi tensile to 28,000psi. That is about a 30% reduction in strength.
Answered by banzairx7 on January 14, 2021
Frame of this bike is Cannondale's "Optimo" alloy. This tend to be lighter and stiffer, which provided thinner and more compliant frame build possible. I have heard many people with Optimo fractures, willing to go back to same again, since such a nice lightweight ride.... I didn't see any Furio frame cracking for instance... Its beefy and heavy 6061-T6 tubes don't make a race bike, but hell of stiff and lasting frame. These are just my 2c for consideration....
Answered by toms on January 14, 2021
The critical factor about aluminum frames is that virtually all aluminum alloys which are any good for building things are subject to "work hardening".
What this means is that, as a piece of aluminum is "cycled" in stress-release cycles, the aluminum tends to get more and more brittle. Steel does not exhibit this characteristic to anything near the same degree.
Example: Several years back I was camping on a tour. As I was assembling my tent one of the multi-segment aluminum poles developed a crack at end where the next pole "plugs in". Shifting around I got the tent assembled OK, but the next evening several more poles developed similar cracks, and by the end of the trip I needed to replace the entire set. The next year another camper in the group had the exact same problem.
It wasn't extreme stress that caused these cracks, but simply the "cycling" of putting the tent up and taking it down 50-60 times. Aluminum bike frames are made of better alloys and are more heavily built, but the same mechanism is at work, and even a frame which is not subjected to any extreme stress will get more and more brittle as it is used.
Answered by Daniel R Hicks on January 14, 2021
Having owned a 6061 alu frame ( marin larkspur hybrid bike ) with a lifetime warranty, and received no less than three warranty replacement frames ( each time after approx. 15k road miles ) all due to tubes that snap in half due to fatigue failure, i would strongly recommend against attempting repair on an alu frame. If one part of the frame is at the end of its life, so is the rest of the frame. There is a reason that every critical alu part of an aeroplane is replaced after a fixed number of flying hours, irrespective of whether it is showing any signs of wear and tear, and the reason is fatigue.
Answered by Barny on January 14, 2021
Data points:
Today my Optimo 63cm ( a Cannondale , pioneers of Aluminium bicycle frame... ) develop a crack around the diameter of the downtube, only 3 cm remaining holding the tube in one piece. Tired of the mis-shifting of the rear derailleur in danseuse mode, I stopped to check. And that’s when I see this huge crack... I just had to look at the right place. It’s a little scary , cause I just went down several hills at 65 km/h (40 mph).
Really didn’t think this would happen on a less than 2-year-old frame , with less than 12,000km.
At 6'4'' (193cm) , I'm only 180 lbs (82 kg). I also have an aluminum Trek 2.3 that is 10 years old and with at least 70,000km that has no frame problems. Its end is probably near but I was much more satisfied for its durability .
I must say that I had got it for replacing a series 1500 model ( entry level trek ) which had cracked its drive side chainstay. Yes the Trek 2.3 gives a rough ride and the Optimo is really comfortable in comparison. But I was close to finding hospital beds very uncomfortable for long term . I guess not all aluminum frames are born equal. I just hope that Cannondale have a warranty equal to Trek, I am waiting for the result of their investigation on my frame .
Answered by stromeur on January 14, 2021
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