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Nevermore strategies in DotA

Arqade Asked by user1246 on August 6, 2021

I completely suck at DotA (though I am somewhat familiar with Nevermore); I can never kill any enemy heroes even on easy. What strategies can I use to defeat enemy heroes?

I do the basics: get last hit to get cash and that’s pretty much all I know. I buy the trent boots which are set to agility. The first two things I buy are a courier and the reg with +5 hp regen. I then get that sword with critical hits and upgrade it after getting demon’s edge.

I still suck and can’t kill enemy heroes even though I have +130 damage (or more). What can I do?

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Nevermore is actually one of the more powerful heroes there are a couple things you should know about him:

Staying alive: Nevermore's damage is largely proportional to how many last hits you got since you last died. So stay alive! You're going to need Lother (which turns your invisible) or Kelen's (which teleports you) to do this, so after boots (str or phase) this is your first pick up.

Combo: because you have 3 shadowrase, you need to cast it more than once to kill. Figure out the middle range usage (hint its the same range as your basic attack) and then follow up with short (if he comes after you) or long (if he runs away). You can also combo it to get more kills.

Requim: This skill trades on being right next to your target, so combo it with Lother or Kelen's for maximum effectiveness.

Ability build:

  1. Necromasty (to start grouping up your last hits)
  2. Shadowraze (lvl 1 isn't great, so hold off on it
  3. Shadowraze (Your combo is starting to get good)
  4. Necromasty
  5. Shadowraze (by now your combo is leathal)
  6. Requim
  7. Shadowraze
  8. Necromasty
  9. Necromasty 10+ you want to max out Requim then Presence of the Dark lord

Damage: Most of your early game kills revolve around Shadowraze, but once you get to mid game you're going to want to pick up some dps. Demons Edge is very nice, as is Manta Style (with bonus to survive). Stygian is going to be essential in late game as it stacks with your Presence. Nevermore doesn't trade on his life steal, but Mask of Madness' on use ability is nasty. I usually go for Demon's Edge -> Stygian -> Buriza. If you're still looking for items after that Skadi or Satanic are both good, but you should be in end game by then.


Ok, it sounds like you have a larger problem than working well with Nevermore, that extends to DotA in general.

A carry is a late game hero who can push a lane and take out 3-4 opposing heroes with little support. A Hard carry is a character who needs to farm up all game specifically for late game. A Soft carry is a player who doesn't have a ton of late game abilities but can become very powerful late game due to ganking.

Ganking is a term for going into an ally's lane and helping to kill their enemy. This technique usually relies on surprise and coordination. Ganking is useful for all heroes as nearby heroes split the xp of a kill and the last hit gains significant gold. Agility based heroes usually operate as glass cannons early on, so ganking is a way to gain experience and gold with minimal risk (the risk usually being getting ganked).

Nevermore's ganking technique usually relies on casting shadowraze back to back. Ideally you can get an ally to stun the target and there fore get off all 3 shadowraze. Once you hit level 6, if you have full Necromasty use your lothar's to get right on top of an opponent and Ult. Follow this up immediately with shadowraze (remember to attack first so you're pointed in the right direction, but don't wait for the attack to go off). The target should be low and try to run. Just dps him down till he's in range of your next shadowraze and enjoy the kill.

Farming is another technique to get to late game with an agility hero. Nevermore is especially good at farming in his own lane (known as laning) because of shadowraze. Adjust your range to be ideal for mid-range shadowraze (you can do this by attacking). Wait till the last one of your melee creeps is about to die then cast shadowraze. This should kill some of them and injure the rest. When they come into melee range your second shadowraze will finish them off. This is excellent farming technique, but very mana intensive so stock up on consumables.

Correct answer by tzenes on August 6, 2021

Do most or all of tzenes post especially the ability build. My build suggestion is (tested mostly 1 on 1)

Get boots of speed, Helm of Iron Will and Ring of regeneration + others to create the recipe Hood of Defiance. This will have your HP regen really high which is good if you are new. Buy the Trent boots so your attack speed is significantly faster and so you can run away without other heros catching up. I prefer switching the boots to intellects when getting lvl3 shadowraze to get have mana regen faster. Switch this late game to whatever you want.

Then get the quarterstaff (or any cheap weapon) or void stone depending on what level you are (void stone is preferable if your at a higher level for better mana regen). Then go for lothers edge or kelen to either combo your 4th ability or to use to run away. Then do whatever build you like as you should be mid game

Answered by user1246 on August 6, 2021

tzenes' answer covers a lot of Nevermore's playstyle and build tactics very well.

What you must always have in mind is that positioning and timing is the key for any hero on a game like DotA. Both require good experience, good metagame vision and of course, teamplay.

The best strategy for a beginner is to have someone(s) to be your tutor. Consider using an app like Skype to have a faster way of communication with your teammates.

And remember: never feed "trolls" or let yourself be affected by stressed "1337" players.

Answered by Seigo on August 6, 2021

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