Arqade Asked on February 21, 2021
I’ve spent the past three hours committing a genocide of historical proportions against my Kerbals, and it’s making me quite sad.
Valentina would really appreciate if I could get my airplane off the ground, but it keeps exploding on the runway by the exact same failure mode: The plane veers to one side or another, either I or SAS correct it, which starts a left/right wobble, which builds until one of the wings hits pavement, at which point the craft quickly brings Valentina to her untimely end.
I’ve covered all my bases, as far as I can tell:
It seems if I turn off SAS, I can prevent the oscillation from starting as it’s initiated by some control input, whether from me or SAS, but then the plane veers off the runway until it hits something. Intriguingly, there is one thing I’ve found that does prevent the wobble from starting, and that is to use a single engine mounted directly on the back of the fuselage, which prevents using a tail and is ultimately a fairly significant restriction to build around.
I’ve spent some time scouring the internet for ways of solving this problem, and found a number of pieces of advice on preventing wobble and improving planes in general, some of which made it into the above list, but Valentina’s still dying, and I’m tired of Kerbal funerals.
I've found that all my runway wiggling planes are caused by the wheels. This happens in two instances; initial placement and plane body deformation.
Wheels need to be touching the ground exactly as they were intended to, you cannot angle them in any direction other then their intended direction when placing them. So the ones that go straight up and down can only be straight up and down, no angling left, right, backwards or forwards such as when you place the little wheel on the angled body of the cockpit part. The ones that are at an angle must be placed at that exact angle, you can't angle them to make them wider.
Plane body deformations can cause the wheels to touch the ground at a slightly different angle. Body deformation can be caused by heavy parts, many parts connected together, or forces on the plane.
From your description of your plane I would check the following:
Correct answer by Biff MaGriff on February 21, 2021
You seem to have done a lot of things right. I'm finding it quite surprising you didn't manage to get the plane to fly yet. I haven't encountered oscillations like that in an airplane but I have encountered them aplenty in case of lightweight probes that have too strong control authority - too good RCS or reaction wheels, so I suspect the source here is the same. Try reducing control authority (or even generally amount) of control surfaces - rudder, ailerons, the front wheel (maybe even make it a fixed one).
Additionally if you have any off-center fuel tanks, double check the fuel is drawn from both at the same rate (same priority). Plane veering off course is not uncommon but uneven fuel draw can exacerbate it a lot.
Also hopefully you're not using any mods that use throttle (Throttle Controlled Avionics etc) as with engines as sluggish to react as jet, this is bound to cause trouble.
If that all fails, you may try building your plane lighter and with mightier (or just more) engines, so it just doesn't have the time to start misbehaving on the runway before you bring it up in the air.
one last thing to verify: look from the side, observe where your center of mass is, then how the control surfaces are located relative to it and if the way they react to your controls makes sense (just try to pull up, down, or roll, on the runway without even starting the engine or disengaging brakes and watch which way the control surfaces move). Control surfaces near center of mass sometimes get "confused" as to their role and do stupid things. You may need to change control authority to a negative value if they bend "the wrong way".
ps. Start with simplest, easiest planes you can and then increase complexity observing and mitigating problems as they arise. Starting from something with MK3 hull without experience in MK1 will be an uphill battle.
ps2. It's unlikely you're doing this but just in case: while on the ground use only yaw controls to change direction, don't touch the roll controls. Roll is the main way to change direction in flight, and best way to crash the plane on the ground.
Answered by SF. on February 21, 2021
I haven't found a sure-fire solution to this, but I think I know what causes it. If you have more than one engine, you can get asymmetric thrust at low speeds. Thrust is determined partly by velocity. If you (or SAS) turns even just a little, the engine opposite your turn will have a higher velocity than the one towards your turn. At low speeds, this difference can be significant. This makes one engine generate more thrust than the other, exacerbating the turn. SAS sees this and turns the other way, which just causes the same problem in the other direction. Eventually you either crash, or you reach a high enough speed that SAS wiggling can't cause a significant enough difference in engine speeds.
In addition to the tips others have suggested, try locking steering on all your wheels. This should reduce ground control authority and make oscillations less powerful. They'll still happen but you'll have more time to get off the ground.
Answered by Ryan_L on February 21, 2021
Another possibility to add to the existing answers (it's a bit hard to diagnose without seeing the plane) is that your landing gear might be insufficient for your plane's mass. Can you check what happens if you swap in larger gear?
And one other, more remote possibility to check: Where is your plane's center of drag? It may be too far forward, especially if the tail is too small relative to the plane's wings. Can you check what happens if you increase the tail size to pull the center of drag back?
Answered by doabarrelroll on February 21, 2021
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