Physics Asked by Dhrxv on May 18, 2021
In the analysis of SHM of a point sized bob oscillating with small angular displacement we can analyse the SHM in both linear and angular terms and arrive at the same answer and this should be true for other rigid bodies executing angular SHM since in all cases $theta approx x_{cm}/d$, where d is the distance of COM from point of suspension so if $theta$ varies as a SHM so is $x_{cm}$ going to.
I tried the same for a solid sphere of radius $R$ and mass
$m$ connected with a massless string of length $l$. On displacing the bob by an angle $theta$ the restoring force acting on the COM is going to be:
$F_r = mgsin(theta) $
Also, $sin(theta)approx theta = x/(l+R) $ where $x$ is the linear displacement of the COM
. So:
$F_r = mgx/(l+R) $
So, the Time period is going to be: $T = 2pisqrt{(l+R)/g}$
So I end up getting the same equation as that of the point sized bob…which I guess is wrong because when we analyse this scenario using angular SHM, as I was taught, we get a different answer:
So the torque about the point of suspension P is going to be: $$tau_p = mgsin(theta)times (l+R) approx mg(l+R)theta= I_p alpha$$
So using $T = 2pisqrt{I_p/C}$, where $C = mg(l+R) $
So, the time period here is going to be: $$ T= 2pisqrt{frac{2mR^2/5 + m(R+l)^2}{mg(l+R)}}$$
which of course is different from my previous analysis.
So I am clearly missing something ,help will be really appreciated.
Ps: I have tried this for other bodies (like rod hinged at its end) and
it works… I am having issues with rigid bodies connected by a string to their point of suspension but in cases where the bodies have the hinge point lying on them there this linear SHM analysis works when we take hinge forces into account.
This is one of those cases where you have to pay attention to the kinematics of the problem. The pendulum has 1 DOF, let's call it the swing angle $theta$.
The motion of the rigid body depends on this variable and its derivatives.
$$begin{aligned} omega & = dot{theta} & dot{omega} & = ddot{theta} v_t & = (R+ell) dot theta & dot{v}_t & = (R+ell) ddot{theta} v_r & = 0 & dot{v}_r &= -(R+ell) dot{theta}^2 end{aligned}$$
where $v_t$ is the tangential velocity and $omega$ the rotational velocity. Also, consider the mass moment of inertia about the sphere center $I_C=tfrac{2}{5} m R^2$, as well a the tangential and radial acceleration of the center.
Now you have a choice about which point to form the equations of motion. You can choose between the center of mass and the pivot (since it is not moving).
Pivot - Find the MMOI about the pivot $I_P = I_C + m (R+ell)^2$ and form the equations of motion. Since the pivot does not move, only the rotational equation is needed $$ -(R+ell) m g sin theta = I_P ddot{theta} tag{1} $$ which is solved for $$ddot{theta} =- frac{m g(R+ell)}{I_C + m(R+ell)^2} sin theta $$
Center - Now we have to consider the pivot forces and the translating motion of the center of mass $$ begin{aligned} F_r - m g cos theta & = m dot{v}_r F_t - m g sin theta & = m dot{v}_t -(R+ell) F_t & = I_C ddot{theta} end{aligned} tag{2}$$ which is solved for
$$ddot{theta} = - frac{m g (R+ell)}{I_C +m (R+ell)^2} sin theta $$
As you can see, both methods yield the same result, as long as you account for everything that needs to be accounted for. By default resolve the equations about the center of mass, unless like in this case it simplifies the problem considerably. You can only pick points that are inertial or the centers of mass to write the equations of motion.
For both cases though you have to resolve the kinematics first to establish the motion of each center of mass as a function of the degrees of freedom.
Correct answer by John Alexiou on May 18, 2021
In your question, you deal more carefully with the angular approach leading to $$mg(l+R)sin theta=Iddottheta$$ than you do with the linear approach. Are you assuming that the linear approach leads to the following (for small displacements)? $$mgx=mddot x$$ The $m$ that appears on the right hand side is mass in its inertial role. But not all the bob has the same acceleration. The top of the bob moves with a smaller acceleration than the bottom, simply because it is moving in a smaller arc. This is the subtlety that is taken into account by the 'angular treatment' using a moment of inertia that includes $tfrac 25 m R^2$, but not by the simple linear treatment, which is slightly flawed for a bob of finite size.
Answered by Philip Wood on May 18, 2021
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