Physics Asked by user5468 on April 15, 2021
The usual Schrodinger Lagrangian is
$$ tag 1 i(psi^{*}partial_{t}psi ) + frac{1}{2m} psi^{*}(nabla^2)psi, $$
which gives the correct equations of motion, with conjugate momentum for $psi^{*}$ vanishing.
This Lagrangian density is not real but differs from a real Lagrangian density
$$ tag 2 frac{i}{2}(psi^{*}partial_{t}psi -psi partial_{t}psi^{*} ) + frac{1}{2m} psi^{*}(nabla^2)psi $$
by a total derivative.
My trouble is that these two lagrangian densities lead to different conjugate momenta and hence when setting equal time commutation relations, I am getting different results (a factor of 2 is causing the problem). I can rescale the fields but then my Hamiltonian also changes. Then applying Heisenberg equation of motion, I don’t get the operator Schrodinger equation.
Is it possible to work with the real Lagrangian density and somehow get the correct commutation relations? I would have expected two Lagrangians differing by total derivative terms to give identical commutation relations (since canonical transformations preserve them). But perhaps I am making some very simple error. Unless all conjugate momenta are equivalent for two Lagrangians differing by total derivatives, how does one choose the correct one?
I guess the same thing happens for other first order systems like Dirac Lagrangian also.
Here we will for simplicity only consider the Schrödinger system. We will assume that
$$phi~=~(phi^1+iphi^2)/sqrt{2} tag{A}$$
is a bosonic complex field, and that
$$phi^*~=~(phi^1-iphi^2)/sqrt{2} tag{B} $$
is the complex conjugate, where $phi^a$ are the two real component fields, $a=1,2$. [Note the change in notation $psilongrightarrowphi$ as compared with the OP's question (v1).]
$${cal L}~:=~ iphi^{*}dot{phi} + frac{1}{2m} phi^* nabla^2phi tag{C} $$
for the Schrödinger field $phi$ is already on the Hamiltonian form
$${cal L}~=~ pidot{phi} - {cal H}. tag{D} $$
Simply define complex momentum
$$pi~:=~i phi^{ast}, tag{E} $$
and Hamiltonian density
$${cal H}~:=~-frac{1}{2m} phi^{ast} nabla^2phi. tag{F} $$
More generally, this identification is a simple example of the Faddeev-Jackiw method.
$${cal L} ~~longrightarrow~~ {cal L}^{prime}~:=~{cal L} + d_{mu}Lambda^{mu},tag{G}$$
cf. e.g. this Phys.SE post. [We use the symbol $d_{mu}$ (rather than $partial_{mu}$) to stress the fact that the derivative $d_{mu}$ is a total derivative, which involves both implicit differentiation through the field variables $phi^a(x)$, and explicit differentiation wrt. $x^{mu}$.] Therefore, we can (via spatial integration by parts) choose an equivalent Hamiltonian density
$$begin{align}{cal H} ~~longrightarrow~~ {cal H}^{prime}~:=~&frac{1}{2m}|nablaphi|^2cr ~=~&frac{1}{4m}(nablaphi^1)^2 +frac{1}{4m}(nablaphi^2)^2,end{align}tag{H} $$
and we can (via temporal integrations by part) choose an equivalent kinetic term
$$begin{align} iphi^*dot{phi}~=~ pidot{phi} ~~longrightarrow~&~ frac{1}{2}(pidot{phi}-phidot{pi})cr ~=~& frac{i}{2}(phi^*dot{phi}-phidot{phi}^*)cr ~=~&frac{1}{2}(phi^2dot{phi}^1-phi^1dot{phi}^2)cr ~~longrightarrow~&~phi^2dot{phi}^1. end{align}tag{I} $$
The last expression shows (in accordance with the Faddeev-Jackiw method) that
$$ text{The second component }phi^2 text{ is the momenta for the first component }phi^1. tag{J}$$
$${cal L}^{prime}~=~ (alpha+frac{1}{2})phi^2dot{phi}^1+(alpha-frac{1}{2})phi^1dot{phi}^2 - {cal H}^{prime},tag{K} $$
where $alpha$ is an arbitrary real number. [The term $d(phi^1phi^2)/ dt$, which is multiplied by $alpha$ in ${cal L}^{prime}$, is a total time derivative.] Let us check that the quantization procedure does not depend on this parameter $alpha$. We introduce canonical Poisson brackets
$$begin{align} {phi^a({bf x},t),phi^b({bf y},t)}_{PB} ~=~&0, cr {phi^a({bf x},t),pi_b({bf y},t)}_{PB} ~=~&delta^a_b ~ delta^3 ({bf x}-{bf y}), cr {pi_a({bf x},t),pi_b({bf y},t)}_{PB} ~=~&0,end{align} tag{L}$$
in the standard way. The canonical momenta $pi_a$ are defined as
$$begin{align} pi_1~:=~&frac{partial {cal L}^{prime}}{partial dot{phi}^1} ~=~(alpha+frac{1}{2})phi^2,cr pi_2~:=~&frac{partial {cal L}^{prime}}{partial dot{phi}^2} ~=~(alpha-frac{1}{2})phi^1.end{align}tag{M}$$
These two definitions produce two primary constraints
$$begin{align}chi_1~:=~&pi_1-(alpha+frac{1}{2})phi^2~approx~0,cr chi_2~:=~&pi_2-(alpha-frac{1}{2})phi^1~approx~0,end{align}tag{N}$$
where the $approx$ sign means equal modulo constraints. The two constraints are of second-class, because
$$ {chi_2({bf x},t),chi_1({bf y},t)}_{PB}~=~delta^3 ({bf x}-{bf y})~neq~0. tag{O} $$
Thus the Poisson bracket should be replaced by the Dirac bracket. [There are no secondary constraints, because
$$begin{align} dot{chi}_a({bf x},t) ~=~&{chi_a({bf x},t), H^{prime}(t)}_{DB} ~=~ 0, cr H^{prime}(t)~:=~& int d^3y {cal H}^{prime}({bf y},t),end{align} tag{P} $$
are automatically satisfied.] The Dirac bracket between the two $phi^a$'s is
$${phi^1({bf x},t),phi^2({bf y},t)}_{DB}~=~delta^3 ({bf x}-{bf y}), tag{Q}$$
leading to the same conclusion (J) as the Faddeev-Jackiw method. Note that the eqs. (O) and (Q) are independent of the parameter $alpha$.
$$begin{align} [hat{phi}^1({bf x},t), hat{phi}^2({bf y},t)] ~=~& ihbar {bf 1}~delta^3 ({bf x}-{bf y}), cr [hat{phi}({bf x},t), hat{phi}^{dagger}({bf y},t)] ~=~& hbar {bf 1}~delta^3 ({bf x}-{bf y}), cr [hat{phi}({bf x},t), hat{pi}({bf y},t)] ~=~& ihbar {bf 1}~delta^3 ({bf x}-{bf y}).end{align} tag{R}$$
--
$^1$ See, e.g., M. Henneaux and C. Teitelboim, Quantization of Gauge Systems, 1992.
Answered by Qmechanic on April 15, 2021
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