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How can I show that in an elastic collision i can set $| vec{v_2} - vec{v_1} | = | vec{v_2}' - vec{v_1}' | $?

Physics Asked by Felipe Dilho on June 23, 2021

I am getting stuck in a really easy problem in Statistical Mechanics that involves elastic collisions, it is really very shameful that I am getting stuck at such a simple thing, but from:

$$|vec{v_1}|^2 +|vec{v_2}|^2 = |vec{u_1}|^2 +|vec{u_2}|^2$$
and $$vec{v_1}+vec{v_2} = vec{u_1} + vec{u_2}$$

How can I get $$|vec{v_2}-vec{v_1}|=|vec{u_2}-vec{u_1}|$$

I tried completing the square in the first equation like:

$$vec{v_1}cdotvec{v_1} +vec{v_2}cdotvec{v_2} -2vec{v_1}cdotvec{v_2}= (vec{v_2}-vec{v_1})cdot(vec{v_2}-vec{v_1})=|vec{v_2}-vec{v_1}|^2= vec{u_1}cdotvec{u_1} +vec{u_2}cdotvec{u_2} -2vec{v_1}cdotvec{v_2}$$

and then using the second equation to get:

$$=vec{u_1}cdotvec{u_1} +vec{u_2}cdotvec{u_2} -2vec{v_1}cdot(vec{u_1}+vec{u_2}-vec{v_1})$$

but I cannot seem to be able to simplify this to $$vec{u_1}cdotvec{u_1} +vec{u_2}cdotvec{u_2} -2vec{u_1}cdotvec{u_2} = |vec{u_2}-vec{u_1}|^2$$

Can someone help me with this? I am sure it is quite simple, but since I am stuck I am losing way too much time on this.

2 Answers

I'm typing in mobile so I'm ignoring all the vector signs. The problem is to show that $$a^2 + b^2 = c^2 + d^2$$ and $$a + b = c + d$$ Gives you $$|a - b| = |c-d|$$ From the second eq you get by squaring both sides $$a^2 + b^2 + 2ab = c^2 + d^2 + 2cd$$ Using the first equation you then get $$ab = cd$$ Now subtract $2ab= 2cd$ on both sides of the first equation and you get $$(a-b)^2 = (c-d)^2$$ Which is the required answer. To get the vector equivalent just replace the regular product with the dot product.

Correct answer by Brain Stroke Patient on June 23, 2021

Use the reduced mass identity to write the total energy as $$ frac 12 m_1 |{bf v}_1|^2+ frac 12 m_2 |{bf v}_2|^2= frac 12 frac{m_1m_2}{m_1+m_2} |{bf v}_1-{bf v}_2|^2+ frac 12 (m_1+m_2)|{bf v}_{CofM}|^2. $$ Then, if energy is conserved (definition of elastic) we must have that $|{bf v}_1-{bf v}_2|$ is the same before and after.

Answered by mike stone on June 23, 2021

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